Question about general cure treatment

[miyags]

You might have a secondary bacterial infection from ether ich or flukes. Seachem kanaplex and metro with focus. Is what I used when my Queen and Imperator angel looked like that.It took almost a month for that to clear-up.

 

[Thomashtom]

ok thanks just weird that they are not showing any symptoms?

 

[miyags]

Its so hard to tell anything with pictures.your last picture the fish looks like it has blotchy skin. My Angels had blotchy looking but smooth skin and faded color on their sides.

 

[Thomashtom]

Here maybe these are better pics. Thanks for your help

 

[miyags]

Did these fish start off with ich? And you said they are ich free?.This still looks like a bacterial/ fungal infection.I think kanaplex and metroplex will heal them right up.As long as they really are Ich free.

 

[Thomashtom]

Just a shot in the dark but nitrates shot to about 80ppm. Could that or would that cause this? Thanks

 

[HotRocks]

Just a shot in the dark but nitrates shot to about 80ppm. Could that or would that cause this? Thanks

Fish could care less about 80ppm nitrates.

You would have to get to several hundred before it became an issue.

 

[Louis Z]

I would love to see a skin scrape under the microscope . Have you done a FW Dip. Or a formalin bath? Somethings up cause I see protrusions sticking out from the picture taken as he is swimming away from the camera .

 

[Reefahholic]

I don't know man. Looks like velvet combined with a fungal infection.

What makes you so sure it's not velvet? Angel's are tough!

 

[Louis Z]

The offending organisms have a tail and it’s sticking out. Some type of arthropod or trematode that’s large enough to see. I have been seeing a lot of posts like these on the forums lately. Sort of like an anchor “worm” https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/...ishdiseases/external_parasitic_arthropods.pdf
If it is , I would try a formalin bath or a prolonged copper tx . Hopefully they fall off to breed and die when they release and maybe the copper is lethal to the immature copepods. Unfortunately I don’t know if formalin will be able to penetrate where the organisms head is embedded between the scales . In koi they have used dimlin or Dylox which are pretty potent . I don’t know if those products have been used on marine fish . Maybe a KMnO4 potassium permanganate which is an oxidizer dabbed on the scales to see if they release. This is a write up on Dylox http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm. And this is on dimlin http://koivet.com/a_dimilin_argulus_anchorworm_koi_treatment.html

 

[4FordFamily]

Gosh that looks an awful lot like velvet and infection as a result...

 

[Thomashtom]

Its been on them for about 10 days. I did a freshwater bath and it seemed to have helped. I looked in Black bucket when it was done and did see white elongated specs just hard to tell. Not sure what meds to use. They are acting normal, clear eyes, did see them twitch and scatch a couple times before bath. First scratching i have seen in the 30 days i have had them They have not been in copper for almost 3 weeks even though it looks a little like velvet its hard to imagine them acting relatively normal still. Begging for food everytime i walk in the room. REALLY DUMBFOUNDED!!!!

 

[Louis Z]

Here is another article . It does focus on fw fish but what occurs in fw also occurs in SW just with a different species . Read the info on management. as for velvet I often see the symptoms but the Amyloodinium needs to be seen under a microscope , that there is visible . If it is anchorworms then secondary infections are possible.

 

[Thomashtom]

Sorry i am confused. What are seeing on these fish? Velvet or anchor worms? I do see weird things on their top fins and body just dont know what it is or how to treat it? Thanks for your help

 

[Louis Z]

Here is another article . It does focus on fw fish but what occurs in fw also occurs in SW just with a different species but similar characteristics . Read the info on management. as for velvet I often see the symptoms but the Amyloodinium needs to be seen under a microscope , that there organism is visible to the naked eye . If it is a sw version of anchor worms then secondary infections are possible Now if you don’t want to resort to these other meds. Then try a formalin bath. Or you can continue with copper and every 3 to 4 days do a fw dip . Seeing that some came off shows they are susceptible. Maybe ridding them slowly through attrition as the organism becomes susceptible to copper as it matures and tries to complete its lifecycle .https://agrilifecdn.tamu.edu/fisheries/files/2013/09/Lernaea-Anchorworm-Infestations-in-Fish.pdf