Rant... I hate the direction the hobby has gone

Not even sure what this means? Tanks don’t cycle? 0 n and p discussions is imo a hobbyist that doesn’t understand reef mechanics or biology and simply parroting of some “new” found “Ross” information that is misunderstood. I would guess even the Egyptians 5000 years ago had some understanding that growth on earth requires some kind of nutrients besides their “gods” will.
I understand plenty about keeping reef tanks sir………I shouldn’t have to explain to someone with time in the hobby that 0 on both nitrates and phosphates was regularly recommended and that now days it’s recommended for coral health that you have them in the tank. To your cycling question………the idea that cycling tanks takes months is just wrong, now days can be done in less than a month.
 
I shouldn’t have to explain to someone with time in the hobby that 0 on both nitrates and phosphates was regularly recommended and that now days it’s recommended for coral health that you have them in the tank
If speaking about actual 0 n and p, it was never recommended that one run a sterile tank with true 0. When using low resolution hobby test kits in a reef tank with fed fish, it is perfectly acceptable to have undetectable n and p. Very little in the hobby has changed since the mid 90’s only the availability of information maybe, but unfortunately some of the information is misunderstood: nutrients being a prime example.
 
Well to get young kids in the hobby . One has to display and educate in areas where kids are. I have no aq at my house . I maintain Aq at a school where my kids attend . There is always a science room and a teacher that would love a maintained aquarium . Some kids pay attention and others do not . It’s a lot of work to maintain a system away from home . I am there every day to feed or maintain . But that was my contribution to help increase the science awareness at the school . Kids are not interested in science from how it is taught in the school system . If I only read about it in books I would never be in this hobby . Seeing and explaining what they are seeing is key to getting them interested . Maybe pair up with fellow hobbyists to maintain a system in a school and share responsibilities of maintaining the system . Teachers don’t have the time to do so . Schools don’t have the funds . Some schools want outside speakers . I have lectured not just on the reef inhabitants .but reptiles also . Show and tell is always a kids highlight especially with some one that has knowledge to share . Yes this sounds very altruistic but the world reef systems are in dire straits . If more are educated on them and care about them then maybe there will be a change .
 
well I've been keeping fish and coral for probably over 30yrs , sure there is a lot of noise out there with heaps of experts who really haven't got any experience. When I first started all my info came from books, with the development of the internet and forums the hobby has jumped ahead. I have always found the hobby rewarding and challenging, that's what's kept me in it. The equipment, the techniques have all improved so much, I believe all for the better, it's incredible that we can talk to like minded people from all around the world. There is still so much to learn and its way more easier to have a beautiful marine tank in your home than it ever was.
 
I am not trying to be overly negative or elitist. And I certainly could be wrong about some things. But I honestly hate the direction this industry/hobby has gone in the past 6-8 years. I have been in the hobby for over 15 years and I feel like things have degraded considerably...

1. Quality of information. This is by far my biggest complaint! I am so sick and tired of bs fish influencers that come on YouTube and think they know ball. The content is mostly slop and has very little value. I am sure there are good YouTubers, but when i got into this hobby, the best source was a good book. Especially if you are just starting out. I am not aware of any QUALITY books that have been released in the past 5 years(please let me know that I am wrong, I really hope that I am). Most recs I have seen for books still recommend books that are over 10 years old. We have way better technology, it would be nice if someone credible could discuss how to use it.

2. Availability of livestock. We all know the Hawaii closure was a massive blow to the hobby. Other closures like Indo torches, or Fiji liverock have been significant as well but the lack of diversity seems to be increasing. What bothers me though, is that there seems to be a huge lack of cohesion in this industry to fight legislation. In the reptile world, this is a huge part of the hobby and it has faired(mostly) positive. Organizations like PIJAC have luckily done a lot but the average aquarium owner seems to be blissfully unaware or unbothered by possible legal issues. Talk to the bird people about the Wild Bird Conservation Act and see how well things worked out for them. Better yet, read about the proposed Saving Nemo Act...

3. The decline in worthwhile events. Ever since MACNA's dissolution, there have been only a couple remaining events. MACNA was so special since it was the yearly "state of the hobby" if you will. We got to see new product releases, crazy imports, and meet influential figures in the industry. There was also an education component where scientists presented research and we got to hear seminars from credible people. Now, events are numerous and decentralized to extract as much money from the vendors and attendees as possible. Aquashella, is targeted to beginner hobbyists and gives their speaking engagements to Aquarium Influencers that have really no value besides their name recognition(sorry not sorry). That isn't to say that these events don't have a place in the community, I think its good there is a beginner friendly conference people can go to and learn more about the hobby. But an event that is catered towards advanced hobbyists is desperately needed.

4. Named corals, defective products, and general shadiness. Those of us who have been around long enough remember when a coral was the name of its species. Naming a coral some stupid name then selling a quarter inch frag for 80 bucks is ridiculous. I understand why vendors do it. If I had a shop I'd do it too. But it is frustrating nonetheless. Companies like Red Sea that charge astronomical amounts of money for tanks that are known to leak(go find the dozens of threads including mine talking about it) and then seemingly do nothing to resolve the problem is incredibly discouraging. Look at the LiveAquaria debacle. That company use to be the face of the industry. If you wanted online fish that were gonna get there healthy, that was the place. But after corporate buyouts, the company withered away rife with scandals. I am tired of overpriced crap that breaks. I am tired of livestock that arrives half-dead. I am tired of lies and deceit from companies that I have spent THOUSANDS with.


I just had to vent. I hope that our industry shapes up before its too late. I am a young guy in my 20s. I worry greatly about where the hobby will be in 10-20 years if it is around at all. Hopefully we can make things better and begin to actually fix some of the issues that this industry has...
I've been at this since 2007 and not much has changed.

"What would I recommend a new reefer just starting out and entering the hobby? I would recommend staying off the internet."------Jake Adams

Wisest words ever spoken right there!^ there is a plethora of terrible, deceiving information online. Just keep in mind any idiot can post some information, that doesn't mean it's true! Find one person you trust and believe and stick with their advice/information. For me it's honestly entertaining to listen to how wrong some "influencers" are while being so confident.

The proof is in the pudding, if their tank is 💩 then just knod and agree like the annoying cousin. Then completely disregard all the nonsense they just told you.

As far as prices.. to this day genius/phylum/species change all the time. Hell half of the corals that were around when I started 20 years ago have since been reclassified. Not just once, a few times! There is another problem. We just discussed the majority of information in this hobby being false. When somebody begins classifying a coral one way vs another who do you believe?

If one thing 19 years in the reef keeping hobby has taught me, there's not another hobby as torn and divided with information/how too.
 

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