Red Sea price increases today

[MnFish1]

Red Sea and a number of the other big brands all use MAP pricing on their products, which means the retailers have 0 control over what they are priced at. They must sell the products at the exact price set by the manufacturer. Any and all sales that occur are also controlled by the manufacturer as well.

Yes, a retailer can choose not to adhere to a MAP (Minimum Advertised Price) policy. While MAP policies set a minimum price that retailers can advertise, they don't prevent retailers from selling products at a lower price, as long as they don't advertise below the MAP. Retailers who choose not to follow a MAP policy may face consequences from the manufacturer, such as exclusion from promotional deals or termination of partnerships.

I.e.1. You can always ask for a lower price. 2. In store sales do not necessarily count as 'advertising'

 

[MnFish1]

Does this easy change involve the use of a stapler? If so I wouldn't call that as easy as changing a reefmat which takes me 10 minutes including cleaning parts (takes probably 3-5 mins max otherwise)

I assume by uses "too many material" you mean it uses too much filter floss?
The oem rolls last much longer on all tanks I use them on compared to a clarisea or bubble magus.
Additionally with the use of precon rolls cut to size, I get similar performance for a mere $12 a roll after shipping.

There's no such thing as light handed feeding in this house.


Their stuff is mostly made in china afaik.

nice tank

 

[Tamberav]

I maybe wrong on this but I thought Maxspect makes or licenses the tech for the gyres to Red Sea, Ice Cap and AI.
I use Maxspect 330's in my tanks and I never have had a problem cleaning or taking them apart. I do it about every 6-8 months.
As far as Red Sea products I do like RS300 skimmer (with the Sicce PSK DC conversion). Their ATO, although I think I am lucky because others do have issues. I use their 250 roller fleece in my Aquamaxx AF-170 filter rollers, it is a perfect fit and it is 200µ which I like. Also their screen tops.

It is just an annoying process and gyres tend to work best when cleaned regularly.

There are threads dedicated to how annoying they are to clean. I suppose the answer is to have two sets of everything but still, I know it’s not just me.

Well and one of my maxspect gyre magnets swelled up so that was a but off putting.

 

[Tamberav]

You may be ok - sometimes prices go up - just before they go down before a sale. (like a Memorial Day sale :)). - Note I'm not implying I have any inside information - just a common observation

Yes, I am sure there will be a “sale” but technically it’s not really a sale at that point..

Them trickers…

 

[Pntbll687]

There's going to be way more, and then even when (if) tariff issues are resolved then the greedy retailers will continue with the higher prices for quite some time.

That's because when wholesale prices go up, which they have, stores need to sell through the higher priced product before they can decrease the price. Even if redsea was to lower wholesale cost in a couple weeks, both the distributors and retailers have to sell through the higher priced inventory first to get the lower priced stuff.

 

[eggie]

I assume the parts or products are made in china.


Do you use two for a dual overflow set up?

There is no staples needed to install a rollon the AF-1
I get more out of the premade rolls as well, the roll I have is going for 6 months right now I feed twice a day and the roll has more then half left.

According to your app numbers your rolls are done in 28 days on the left and the right one is a paper shredder @20 inches per day. Do the math.

 

[exnisstech]

If you lived closer I would rip that tank apart and put it together proper. Seems a waste.
But that's what I do for a living. Pull 70 year oid stuff apart and put it together proper...

I toyed with the idea but I have too many tanks now and way too much stuff laying around collecting dust.

 

[Tamberav]

That's because when wholesale prices go up, which they have, stores need to sell through the higher priced product before they can decrease the price. Even if redsea was to lower wholesale cost in a couple weeks, both the distributors and retailers have to sell through the higher priced inventory first to get the lower priced stuff.

And yet when map goes up, they don’t wait till stock is out to raise price

 

[Tamberav]

There is no staples needed to install a rollon the AF-1
I get more out of the premade rolls as well, the roll I have is going for 6 months right now I feed twice a day and the roll has more then half left.

According to your app numbers your rolls are done in 28 days on the left and the right one is a paper shredder @20 inches per day. Do the math.

I doubt you can compare the tanks like this. His looks like a fowlr with huge dirty fish.

You would have to run different brands on the same tank to get an idea.

My tank wins though because I use exactly 0 rolls since I don’t run one

 

[C_AWOL]

There is no staples needed to install a rollon the AF-1
I get more out of the premade rolls as well, the roll I have is going for 6 months right now I feed twice a day and the roll has more then half left.

According to your app numbers your rolls are done in 28 days on the left and the right one is a paper shredder @20 inches per day. Do the math.

As stated before, I have no first hand experience with the AF-1 and if it doesn't need to be re-spooled the "easy" way like a bubble magus does via staples, then that's a good design (in which case I would be very happy to be wrong with my assumption). The more well designed equipment we can have in the hobby, the better it will be for everyone in the hobby (especially if more affordable).

This video unfortunately doesn't really show it being re-spooled while in service (I personally wouldn't put the effort to pull the entire unit out just to put a new roll for example if required for it to be "easy")


For comparison here's some random person on youtube who did it from the 1 minute mark and finishes at the 9 minute mark in the video while explaining stuff. If he didn't take time to show parts/do explanations it would've been less than his ~8 minute roll change for sure.

Not entirely sure how you're getting 28 days remaining on the left unit but a whole roll is ~1368 inches.
If we round up consumption and do 1368 inches/5 inches a day = 273.6 days (we'll say 273)
That's over 9 months for a measly 12 dollars in my use case on the left unit.
If we deduct the current quantity used we get 1044 inches remaining which using the same average would result in 208 days remaining worth of life.

The paper shredder on the right? 1368/22 = 62 days or 2 months for 12 dollars (all numbers are rounded in your arguments favor)

Personally I can't complain about my "paper shredders" considering I run a red dragon 200w hp + vectra l1 for tank turn over flow and go through at least 8 oz of frozen food + various dry food on a daily basis for this particular tank.

One final bit as well, filter roll longevity has nothing to do with X Y or Z brand filter roller and everything to do with roll micron rating + flow (primarily tank turn over) + bioload(fish quantity + feedings).
As any one of those factors increases, the consumption will naturally increase in a non linear fashion

Similarly the opposite is true where if those factors decrease then there will be a non linear decrease in consumption.

Can you guess when spawning events happened in this example?

 

[C_AWOL]

I doubt you can compare the tanks like this. His looks like a fowlr with huge dirty fish.

You would have to run different brands on the same tank to get an idea.

My tank wins though because I use exactly 0 rolls since I don’t run one

For what it's worth, the other tank that has a reefmat has a few coral and a bunch of dirty fish as well (All the hammers + torches were eaten by the majestic)

 

[eggie]

As stated before, I have no first hand experience with the AF-1 and if it doesn't need to be re-spooled the "easy" way like a bubble magus does via staples, then that's a good design (in which case I would be very happy to be wrong with my assumption). The more well designed equipment we can have in the hobby, the better it will be for everyone in the hobby (especially if more affordable).

This video unfortunately doesn't really show it being re-spooled while in service (I personally wouldn't put the effort to pull the entire unit out just to put a new roll for example if required for it to be "easy")


For comparison here's some random person on youtube who did it from the 1 minute mark and finishes at the 9 minute mark in the video while explaining stuff. If he didn't take time to show parts/do explanations it would've been less than his ~8 minute roll change for sure.

Not entirely sure how you're getting 28 days remaining on the left unit but a whole roll is ~1368 inches.
If we round up consumption and do 1368 inches/5 inches a day = 273.6 days (we'll say 273)
That's over 9 months for a measly 12 dollars in my use case on the left unit.
If we deduct the current quantity used we get 1044 inches remaining which using the same average would result in 208 days remaining worth of life.

The paper shredder on the right? 1368/22 = 62 days or 2 months for 12 dollars (all numbers are rounded in your arguments favor)

Personally I can't complain about my "paper shredders" considering I run a red dragon 200w hp + vectra l1 for tank turn over flow and go through at least 8 oz of frozen food + various dry food on a daily basis for this particular tank.

One final bit as well, filter roll longevity has nothing to do with X Y or Z brand filter roller and everything to do with roll micron rating + flow (primarily tank turn over) + bioload(fish quantity + feedings).
As any one of those factors increases, the consumption will naturally increase in a non linear fashion

Similarly the opposite is true where if those factors decrease then there will be a non linear decrease in consumption.

Can you guess when spawning events happened in this example?

There is no need to pull out the roller either. Just 2 nylon screws and thats it. I change my fleece roll while doing maintance on the tank.
There is no argument on my side, only just theirs better brands then Red Sea out therewith better price.
The only thing I could say they make good is the Salt Blue Bucket that I have used as well and there is more people using Reef Crystals or Instant Ocean

 

[get-salty]

Man... Prices on reef stuff are out of hands. Hanna Cal reagents are 30 bucks, ok ok 29.99. Sometime i just want to get out of the hobby, not bc i cant afford to maintain my reef, simply bc i dont want to dump my good hard earned cash to these companies.

 

[KStatefan]

That's because when wholesale prices go up, which they have, stores need to sell through the higher priced product before they can decrease the price. Even if redsea was to lower wholesale cost in a couple weeks, both the distributors and retailers have to sell through the higher priced inventory first to get the lower priced stuff.

Why is it when prices go up it is instant across the board and not wait until the lower cost items are gone.

 

[Tamberav]

only just theirs better brands then Red Sea out therewith better price.

Not everyone values lower price.

My Tunze's are very clearly better than my Jeabo (Tunze copy cats) but they do cost a lot more. Jeabo still gets the job done but it's pretty clear they are not as nice.

Some people are actually very adamant against jeabo anything since they strongly feel IP theft is welll....still theft and they are piggy backing off other companies innovation.

 

[Dragen Fiend]

There's going to be way more, and then even when (if) tariff issues are resolved then the greedy retailers will continue with the higher prices for quite some time.

yup, consumers will get used to these prices. And they will stay. Or slightly slash and go from there. Tariffs sadly create a new floor price.

 

[Gumbies R Us]

Why is it when prices go up it is instant across the board and not wait until the lower cost items are gone.

That’s what I’ve noticed too. I feel like you get no warning about a price increase too. One day something is $44.99 and you are debating on buying it but say “I’ll wait for a sale”. You check for a sale the next day and it’s $59.99 instead, not the sale you were expecting, haha

 

[Pntbll687]

Why is it when prices go up it is instant across the board and not wait until the lower cost items are gone.

That's because if a store has the item on the shelf, even though they bought it at a lower price if they don't increase the price they may not cover the cost of getting new product one the older one sells.

That's the simplified answer, and happens from time to time, especially if there is a larger price increase (tariff put in place, parts become only available from a single supplier, manufacturer of parts closes). But most of the time when there's a price increase on items, not only did the wholesale cost go up but the manufacturer also changed the MAP (minimum advertised price) price of the item.

I work in distribution sales, and I get a report EVERY MORNING of "Items with MAP pricing change". I would lean toward a combination of price increase and MAP price change that raised the price. What I can't say is how much each affected the price. The price increase might be 5% but the change in MAP price makes it 17% at the retail level.

 

[Pntbll687]

And yet when map goes up, they don’t wait till stock is out to raise price

That would be a RedSea decision and not the retailer, if it was an increase in MAP price. And I would HIGHLY doubt they would raise the map price without a wholesale price increase right now.