Return pump recommendation!

[Roberto CRC]

Hi friends, I need your recommendations.

In February of this year she bought a Jeta DCT-8000. The pump seemed excellent for the capacity, which is adjustable and is very quiet. However, as 1 month it failed and remains as worked. After trying to work for a long time, I succeeded. Yesterday came a fall again and I realize that I need a new bomb, but I do not know what to buy.

I need you to have:

At least 1800-2000 gph or more.
Adjustable.
Submersible.
Make it good.

What can you recommend?

Jebao I do not know if it was bad luck, but several friends have those same old ones and they still work without any problems. I'm scared to buy another Jebao and have bad luck again.

Regards

 

[143MPCo]

@Brew12

 

[Brew12]

Hi friends, I need your recommendations.

In February of this year she bought a Jeta DCT-8000. The pump seemed excellent for the capacity, which is adjustable and is very quiet. However, as 1 month it failed and remains as worked. After trying to work for a long time, I succeeded. Yesterday came a fall again and I realize that I need a new bomb, but I do not know what to buy.

I need you to have:

At least 1800-2000 gph or more.
Adjustable.
Submersible.
Make it good.

What can you recommend?

Jebao I do not know if it was bad luck, but several friends have those same old ones and they still work without any problems. I'm scared to buy another Jebao and have bad luck again.

Regards

These are my thoughts.

Since you want it adjustable, it has to be a DC pump. DC pumps have many advantages but they do have one disadvantage. They need controllers which is a potential failure point.

The DCT-8000 is around $150 and most people have good luck with them. They are cheap but they work for most people.
To get a little more flow with a higher quality option you could go with the Vectra L1 by Ecotech. Those run around $450 and give you a little more quality. They also come with more features that most people don't need.

So the question becomes which is the better value. You can get 3 of the Jabao's for the same price as a Vectra. Personally, I would get 2 Jabao's over 1 Vectra to protect against failure.

If I were in a position where I needed the most reliable pump I could get, I would probably go with the Royal Exclusiv. These come with a very high cost, but are very high quality.
http://royalexclusiv.com/Flow-Pumps...dy-80-Watt-2-113-gph-10V-connection::713.html

Does that help?

 

[mfinn]

I need you to have:

At least 1800-2000 gph or more.
Adjustable.
Submersible.
Make it good.

What can you recommend?

Vectra M1

 

[Roberto CRC]

These are my thoughts.

Since you want it adjustable, it has to be a DC pump. DC pumps have many advantages but they do have one disadvantage. They need controllers which is a potential failure point.

The DCT-8000 is around $150 and most people have good luck with them. They are cheap but they work for most people.
To get a little more flow with a higher quality option you could go with the Vectra L1 by Ecotech. Those run around $450 and give you a little more quality. They also come with more features that most people don't need.

So the question becomes which is the better value. You can get 3 of the Jabao's for the same price as a Vectra. Personally, I would get 2 Jabao's over 1 Vectra to protect against failure.

If I were in a position where I needed the most reliable pump I could get, I would probably go with the Royal Exclusiv. These come with a very high cost, but are very high quality.
http://royalexclusiv.com/Flow-Pumps...dy-80-Watt-2-113-gph-10V-connection::713.html

Does that help?

Thank you very much for the explanation and recommendation.

One of my options is Vectra, I thought of the M1 for a price issue and that capacity thinks that a brand of quality that Jebao can give me the same performance as the DCT 8000.

That other thing that interests me must be very good, but if it is out of my budget.

What other options exist in the market of Jebao and Ecotech that are DC?

 

[Brew12]

Thank you very much for the explanation and recommendation.

One of my options is Vectra, I thought of the M1 for a price issue and that capacity thinks that a brand of quality that Jebao can give me the same performance as the DCT 8000.

That other thing that interests me must be very good, but if it is out of my budget.

What other options exist in the market of Jebao and Ecotech that are DC?

Waveline would be another option to consider and is at a price point in between Jebao and Ecotech. I've seen reports that the Jebao is actually an older generation Waveline. I do not know what changes or improvements were made between generations. So, the Waveline might be one step up in quality than the Jebao.

The problem with DC pumps is that it is hard to know if you are paying for quality or paying for special functionality that you don't need. That is why I wouldn't recommend the Ecotech for a return pump, you pay for a bunch of features you won't use. However, if I were setting up a closed loop flow system, the Ecotech would be my first choice.

 

[mfinn]

I forgot to mention that I have been using a M1 as my return pump for almost a year.
I absolutely love how quiet it is.
You are paying for quality with this pump.

To buy 2 Jeboas because you expect one to fail is stupid IMO.
Buy a good quality pump period.

 

[Brew12]

You are paying for quality with this pump.

Where are you getting your failure rate information from? I haven't found any information that would lead me in that direction so if you have it, please share. Personally, I don't think you are paying for quality with a Vectra pump and that is backed up by the lower quality components used to build it. What you are paying for is all the extra features that come with it. Those aren't free.

To buy 2 Jeboas because you expect one to fail is stupid IMO.
Buy a good quality pump period.

Having a backup for equipment may be stupid to you, but I consider it common sense. I keep a back up return pump and heaters.

If you want a good quality pump, go with the Royal Exclusiv or the Abyzz. Don't go with the Vortech.

 

[MaiReef]

FYI, the ability to adjust can be solved with a ball valve and a switched outlet. However, I personally replaced a SICCE Syncra with a Jebao and it is more quiet, but mine has a very quiet high pitch whine. Doesn't bother me and bubbles and water movement make more noise. I personally would like to have a backup no matter how much you pay for a pump and I know others with Jebao pump that are still going after years and some that have failed within months. I think their newer ones are better, but I don't have hard proof yet on that.

 

[mfinn]

Where are you getting your failure rate information from? I haven't found any information that would lead me in that direction so if you have it, please share. Personally, I don't think you are paying for quality with a Vectra pump and that is backed up by the lower quality components used to build it. What you are paying for is all the extra features that come with it. Those aren't free.


Having a backup for equipment may be stupid to you, but I consider it common sense. I keep a back up return pump and heaters.
.

I did not say have a backup is stupid.
I said buying 2 Jeboas with the idea that one is going to fail is stupid.

As far as the failure rate on Jeboa products, it's all over the internet.
Doesn't take too much searching to find it.

 

[Roberto CRC]

I think all comments have fairly valid views. Personally I have to say that I like Ecotech enough but if I recognize that it is an expensive product compared to similar ones.

Jebao I thought it was bad luck mia but as I mentioned I'm scared to buy another and I also fail in a short time. My problem was not in the controller, but in the pump specifically and that it stops alone and does not start to run again.

See all the products of this machine in the list of products that are in the list of products that are in Costa Rica and I do not have options of brands and stores to buy easily, which would make that if the pump completely fails the whole Filtration, heaters are in the sump tank of the tank display without any filtration.

 

[Brew12]

I did not say have a backup is stupid.
I said buying 2 Jeboas with the idea that one is going to fail is stupid.

Actually, that is exactly what you said. Why buy a back up if it isn't because your primary is going to fail?

As far as the failure rate on Jeboa products, it's all over the internet.
Doesn't take too much searching to find it.

I have never seen a published failure rate on Jeboa products. If you have, please provide a link.

If you are referring to individual failures, that is fine. Plenty of those on the Ecotechs, too. And they have a much smaller install base. Without knowing how many of each were sold compared to the number of failures we don't know which one has a higher failure rate or which one is more reliable.

 

[Brew12]

I think all comments have fairly valid views. Personally I have to say that I like Ecotech enough but if I recognize that it is an expensive product compared to similar ones.

I personally love Ecotech's stuff. I use their MP40's on my DT. And as I said, if I were going to be building a closed loop flow system, I would most certainly use their product. Fantastic features.

My problem was not in the controller, but in the pump specifically and that it stops alone and does not start to run again.

That could actually be a controller problem, also. You may have determined an exact cause so it could be the motor but it could be a problem with the soft start function in the controller.

See all the products of this machine in the list of products that are in the list of products that are in Costa Rica and I do not have options of brands and stores to buy easily, which would make that if the pump completely fails the whole Filtration, heaters are in the sump tank of the tank display without any filtration.

Most of my filtration occurs in my DT, not my sump. I only have my skimmer and heaters in there. If I lose my return pump I can just move a heater into my DT and I will be good for days.

If you really want reliability at a reasonable price point you may want to reconsider having it controllable. You can get some tried and true AC pumps at a very good price. Of course, I don't know your system so there may be a reason you need it to be controllable.

 

[Willy315]

Jebao now has a DCP version of their pumps out. They are now sine wave much I believe improves reliability. I'm considering a DCP-6500 that will replace my Eheim 1262 that is starting to get loud.

 

[mfinn]

So the question becomes which is the better value. You can get 3 of the Jabao's for the same price as a Vectra. Personally, I would get 2 Jabao's over 1 Vectra to protect against failure.
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I don't need published reports to know that Jeboa products are subject to early failure rates.
Just simple searching on this forum and others like Reef Central will show that.

I recommended a Vectra M1 because I've been using one for more than a year.

I don't like Jeboa products because I've bought 6 Jeboa flow pumps and 5 have failed.
I have friends who buy them and I hear about their failures too.
I see many threads where people say they buy Jeboas because they can afford to replace when they go bad.

I did not dispute your recommendation of a Red Dragon pump.

 

[mfinn]

Brew12, I'm done with this.
I made my recommendations to the op and you can argue all you want, but IMO Jeboa pumps are garbage.

 

[Eggyoke]

Jebao DCP is their new model. They changed the controller. If you can find out what went wrong with your pump you can just order a replacement part. Jebao is hit or miss but if Vectra is out of your budget just get another one and cross your fingers. I had years of success with an external pump and the Magdrive AC pump.

 

[Roberto CRC]

I personally love Ecotech's stuff. I use their MP40's on my DT. And as I said, if I were going to be building a closed loop flow system, I would most certainly use their product. Fantastic features.

That could actually be a controller problem, also. You may have determined an exact cause so it could be the motor but it could be a problem with the soft start function in the controller.



Most of my filtration occurs in my DT, not my sump. I only have my skimmer and heaters in there. If I lose my return pump I can just move a heater into my DT and I will be good for days.

If you really want reliability at a reasonable price point you may want to reconsider having it controllable. You can get some tried and true AC pumps at a very good price. Of course, I don't know your system so there may be a reason you need it to be controllable.

What is Close loop flow system? i don´t know.

I want to regulate it since I prefer to buy a bigger one than I need and to think a future in the case that I need to buy another all the additional reactor only to raise the force of the pump, but if there are no more reactors than the one that already I have installed No I need to use all the power of the pump and not consume all the current like I would in an AC. That's why I would like a DC.

I in my DT use Vortech and I have Reeflink, that's why Vectra is one of my options but I'm not sure that it really pays to pay what they are worth.

 

[Roberto CRC]

Jebao DCP is their new model. They changed the controller. If you can find out what went wrong with your pump you can just order a replacement part. Jebao is hit or miss but if Vectra is out of your budget just get another one and cross your fingers. I had years of success with an external pump and the Magdrive AC pump.

The seller on Amazon tells me that because of the characteristics of the flaw may be the prop, but unless visually propel looks in excellent condition, it just stops working and after trying a long time to help turn it does, but hard Almost 1 hour on this

I can not buy one that there is no submersible becuase I d´not have space in my cabinet to place it out of the sump.

 

[Brew12]

I don't need published reports to know that Jeboa products are subject to early failure rates.
Just simple searching on this forum and others like Reef Central will show that.

I recommended a Vectra M1 because I've been using one for more than a year.

I don't like Jeboa products because I've bought 6 Jeboa flow pumps and 5 have failed.
I have friends who buy them and I hear about their failures too.
I see many threads where people say they buy Jeboas because they can afford to replace when they go bad.

I did not dispute your recommendation of a Red Dragon pump.

I stand by that recommendation. If I were going to use the Jebao's I would get 2 of them. They are cheap enough. If I were going to get a Vectra, I would get a cheap AC pump to act as a back up.

There are plenty of threads about failed Vectra pumps on these forums, too, and they have a much smaller install base. In fact, I have seen you respond in several threads regarding Vectra pump failures.

Neither company is releasing the actual failure rate data. I'm guessing it is because it is high with both companies.