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So I've had this white/brown slime stuff for over a year now.

It started as a thin layer of almost slightly fuzzy white slime on the highest rock surface in my tank. Didn't seem much to worry about at the time.

It got worse over time, and for the year this stuff has been covering every single upwards facing rock surface in the tank.

Due to the fact that it only seems to be growing on upwards facing surfaces, I assume this stuff is highly photosynthetic.

Its very slimy and rather like snot. If not removed manually every 3 days or so it gets very out of control and becomes very thick with strings waving around off of it in places.

This tank sits at undetectable levels of nitrate if left without manual dosing. I believed this to be the cause of poor coral colour, poor polyp extension and STN/RTN of some SPS coral in this tank, therefore I began dosing sodium nitrate to maintain a nitrate level between 1ppm - 5ppm. This only increases the growth of this slime stuff, and seemed to have no impact on my corals, and in some cases could have caused further coral death / growth stagnation. Therefore I believe this slime stuff consumes vast amounts of nitrate and could be the reason for the tank wanting to sit at 0ppm without dosing.

There is also red cyanobacteria on the sand bed, this started 6 months ago and the white/brown slime took over before the cyano took hold on the sandbed.

I perform 10% water changes weekly with tropic marin pro reef salt and 0 TDS water from my RODI machine.

My LFS recommended trying their natural sea water to see if it could improve the biodiversity in the tank to outcompete this stuff whatever it is. So in the last two weeks i performed two seperate 10% water changes with this natural sea water and have seen absolutely zero visual change in the tank.

I tried dosing microbacter 7 weekly for around 2 months. Saw no change in anything.

Under the microscope this slime stuff is just mush. I can't make out anything identifyable between 100x-1000x magnification.

Current tank parameters:

tank volume - 100 litres (Red Sea Max Nano Penninsula)

nitrate - 1ppm
phosphate - 0.1ppm
calcium - 380ppm
magnesium - 1200ppm
alkalinity - 7dKH
temperature - 25.5c
salinty - 1.025sg

Lighting:
AI prime 16HD set to the AB+ spectrum at around 75% 10 inches from water surface.
Rocks are roughly a further 10 inches from the water surface.

The lighting was higher at 110% earlier on in this tank's life, as this was going to be an SPS tank originally before... this. But I have since turned the lighting down slowly over the course of over a month (around 3 months ago) and saw no change.

The tank was started with mainly dry rock and bio media blocks in the rear sump, plus one rock from a long time estabolished system at my LFS.

I have attached pictures of this stuff under white light.

What is this stuff man... I cannot find any pictures of this stuff anywhere, but hopefully SOMEONE will have seen it before.

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Boy I racked my brain trying to remember Chrystophytes. Uggg
Are dosing carbons are using biopellets?
 

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So I've had this white/brown slime stuff for over a year now.

It started as a thin layer of almost slightly fuzzy white slime on the highest rock surface in my tank. Didn't seem much to worry about at the time.

It got worse over time, and for the year this stuff has been covering every single upwards facing rock surface in the tank.

Due to the fact that it only seems to be growing on upwards facing surfaces, I assume this stuff is highly photosynthetic.

Its very slimy and rather like snot. If not removed manually every 3 days or so it gets very out of control and becomes very thick with strings waving around off of it in places.

This tank sits at undetectable levels of nitrate if left without manual dosing. I believed this to be the cause of poor coral colour, poor polyp extension and STN/RTN of some SPS coral in this tank, therefore I began dosing sodium nitrate to maintain a nitrate level between 1ppm - 5ppm. This only increases the growth of this slime stuff, and seemed to have no impact on my corals, and in some cases could have caused further coral death / growth stagnation. Therefore I believe this slime stuff consumes vast amounts of nitrate and could be the reason for the tank wanting to sit at 0ppm without dosing.

There is also red cyanobacteria on the sand bed, this started 6 months ago and the white/brown slime took over before the cyano took hold on the sandbed.

I perform 10% water changes weekly with tropic marin pro reef salt and 0 TDS water from my RODI machine.

My LFS recommended trying their natural sea water to see if it could improve the biodiversity in the tank to outcompete this stuff whatever it is. So in the last two weeks i performed two seperate 10% water changes with this natural sea water and have seen absolutely zero visual change in the tank.

I tried dosing microbacter 7 weekly for around 2 months. Saw no change in anything.

Under the microscope this slime stuff is just mush. I can't make out anything identifyable between 100x-1000x magnification.

Current tank parameters:

tank volume - 100 litres (Red Sea Max Nano Penninsula)

nitrate - 1ppm
phosphate - 0.1ppm
calcium - 380ppm
magnesium - 1200ppm
alkalinity - 7dKH
temperature - 25.5c
salinty - 1.025sg

Lighting:
AI prime 16HD set to the AB+ spectrum at around 75% 10 inches from water surface.
Rocks are roughly a further 10 inches from the water surface.

The lighting was higher at 110% earlier on in this tank's life, as this was going to be an SPS tank originally before... this. But I have since turned the lighting down slowly over the course of over a month (around 3 months ago) and saw no change.

The tank was started with mainly dry rock and bio media blocks in the rear sump, plus one rock from a long time estabolished system at my LFS.

I have attached pictures of this stuff under white light.

What is this stuff man... I cannot find any pictures of this stuff anywhere, but hopefully SOMEONE will have seen it before.

IMG_1127.jpg IMG_1128.jpg IMG_1129.jpg IMG_1130.jpg IMG_1131.jpg IMG_1132.jpg IMG_1133.jpg
Can you check if its close to what I have posted here?

It looks close, and I have attached microscope photos.
 
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Boy I racked my brain trying to remember Chrystophytes. Uggg
Are dosing carbons are using biopellets?
I have not dosed either biopellets or carbons on this tank.
 
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Can you check if its close to what I have posted here?

It looks close, and I have attached microscope photos.
I would say yours looks definitely more filament like. And under the microscope you have easily produced great images of the organisms whereas i really cant get anything, although i will try again. Last two times all i can see is mush!
 
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So im going to say it looks like chrysophytes then looking at other threads that had something similar. Thanks for sending those threads, i had not found anything that looked like this before.

What is the consensus then… if there even is one. Im at odds with this stuff so im willing to try an algaecide if people think it works for this stuff. Sounds like people have had success with that approach. Like i said, just raising my nitrate seems to make the problem worse…
 
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Is my only option here really going to be an algaecide like algaefix or vibrant?

I dont want to go the chemical killing route, but ive already proven to myself that dosing nitrate, reducing light intensity and hours, thorough cleaning during 10% water changes weekly and rock scrubbing does nothing and i am wasting my efforts. Ive lost coral to this, nice ones that i cared about. And my tank looks horrible.

If an algaecide gets this stuff gone i will use it. Im at my wills end really.
 

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Under the microscope this slime stuff is just mush. I can't make out anything identifyable between 100x-1000x magnification.
Any pics? Some algae will form mucilage that makes it look like basically just a formless mass under a microscope like in the thread below:
 

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I posted here last week and didn't really get any replies but I found that mine were chrysophytes. I also had cyano so I dosed chemiclean. I'm not sure if the chemiclean had any effect directly, but I did take my skimmer cup off. I also turned my lights completely off for two days. I've been feeding heavy trying to get my nutrients at a stable level plus I've added several more fish. I noticed the snot stuff turn a darker brown which made it much easier to manually remove with airline hose. I did a 10-15% water change and ran a tiny amount of carbon to clean up the chemiclean.
I've since decreased my light intensity to 50% max and turned off my t5 lights all together.
You can see how the chryso was strangling my acro and you can see how it turned a darker brown in the second picture. It's been 10 days since I dosed the chemiclean and made the other changes and so far it hasn't come back. My skimmer is still overflowing, but I'm not in a hurry to start running it again. I'm going to leave my skimmer offline until I see my nutrients go way up!
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I finally found the solution. Foxface rabbitfish. It cleared the tank of all this stuff, and any hair algae. Which has tidied the tank up and let nitrates rise again so other stuff can outcompete it and corals are finally happy. Some cyano on the sand still but its clearing up.
 

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