Struggling to get nutrients up

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Hey all,

Ive reset my tank about 3 months ago after trying pretty much everything to cull a aiptasia outbreak, which meant totally new rock and sand in the tank. Was meaning to get a build thread up but never got round to it.

The rock work was dry marco rock and I used ocean direct live sand. My issue is that I cannot get nutrients up.
I am not running a skimmer, or fuge, filter socks only but left in for 3 or 4 days before changing.

I also dose Aqua Forest Life source mud to boost biodiversity and started adding Phyto, this has helped clear up cyano that I was dealing with most likely to the low nutrients but I wonder if the Life Source is inadvertently lowering nutrients with all the extra bacteria added?

I have a 250L total volume tank with a bunch of smaller species of fish
1x Clown
1x Royal Gramma
1x Yash Goby
1x Hectors Goby
1x Tail spot Blenny
1x Aiptasia eating filefish
1x Yellowline Goby
1x Bangaii Cardinal

Coral wise, I have a bunch of frags sps mostly, most are doing okay, some don't seem happy but are still basing out even though they are showing no polyp extension

Params:
Alk: 8.26
Cal: 425
No3: 1ppm
phos: 0.025
mag: Not tested recently

Im using Nyos Phos and Nitrate tests and my reading are constantly low.
I feed fairly heavily a few times a day but at least twice a day at minimum.
I do regular water changes of around 10% but even when ive skipped a week the nutrients don't change much
I try to clean the glass daily or at least every second day as I seem to get a dusty film on the glass, back glass as it gets cleaned less regularly does develop some algae type of slime. Rock work has a bit of cyano and dinos. Same with sandbed but sandbed has cleared up in recent weeks. No algae in other than small patches of green film algae.

Do I need to go down the nutrient dosing route? I could maybe squeeze one or two more smaller type fish in. I cant see how I could feed anymore than I do, short of maybe leaving a piece of shrimp in a filter sock?
 

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Hey all,

Ive reset my tank about 3 months ago after trying pretty much everything to cull a aiptasia outbreak, which meant totally new rock and sand in the tank. Was meaning to get a build thread up but never got round to it.

The rock work was dry marco rock and I used ocean direct live sand. My issue is that I cannot get nutrients up.
I am not running a skimmer, or fuge, filter socks only but left in for 3 or 4 days before changing.

I also dose Aqua Forest Life source mud to boost biodiversity and started adding Phyto, this has helped clear up cyano that I was dealing with most likely to the low nutrients but I wonder if the Life Source is inadvertently lowering nutrients with all the extra bacteria added?

I have a 250L total volume tank with a bunch of smaller species of fish
1x Clown
1x Royal Gramma
1x Yash Goby
1x Hectors Goby
1x Tail spot Blenny
1x Aiptasia eating filefish
1x Yellowline Goby
1x Bangaii Cardinal

Coral wise, I have a bunch of frags sps mostly, most are doing okay, some don't seem happy but are still basing out even though they are showing no polyp extension

Params:
Alk: 8.26
Cal: 425
No3: 1ppm
phos: 0.025
mag: Not tested recently

Im using Nyos Phos and Nitrate tests and my reading are constantly low.
I feed fairly heavily a few times a day but at least twice a day at minimum.
I do regular water changes of around 10% but even when ive skipped a week the nutrients don't change much
I try to clean the glass daily or at least every second day as I seem to get a dusty film on the glass, back glass as it gets cleaned less regularly does develop some algae type of slime. Rock work has a bit of cyano and dinos. Same with sandbed but sandbed has cleared up in recent weeks. No algae in other than small patches of green film algae.

Do I need to go down the nutrient dosing route? I could maybe squeeze one or two more smaller type fish in. I cant see how I could feed anymore than I do, short of maybe leaving a piece of shrimp in a filter sock?
What food are you feeding 3x a day? You could look to use something more nutrient rich.

@Miami Reef wrote an excellent guide on raising nutrients:
Thread 'The Complete Guide to Raising Nutrients'
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-complete-guide-to-raising-nutrients.1108108/
 
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Hey all,

Ive reset my tank about 3 months ago after trying pretty much everything to cull a aiptasia outbreak, which meant totally new rock and sand in the tank. Was meaning to get a build thread up but never got round to it.

The rock work was dry marco rock and I used ocean direct live sand. My issue is that I cannot get nutrients up.
I am not running a skimmer, or fuge, filter socks only but left in for 3 or 4 days before changing.

I also dose Aqua Forest Life source mud to boost biodiversity and started adding Phyto, this has helped clear up cyano that I was dealing with most likely to the low nutrients but I wonder if the Life Source is inadvertently lowering nutrients with all the extra bacteria added?

I have a 250L total volume tank with a bunch of smaller species of fish
1x Clown
1x Royal Gramma
1x Yash Goby
1x Hectors Goby
1x Tail spot Blenny
1x Aiptasia eating filefish
1x Yellowline Goby
1x Bangaii Cardinal

Coral wise, I have a bunch of frags sps mostly, most are doing okay, some don't seem happy but are still basing out even though they are showing no polyp extension

Params:
Alk: 8.26
Cal: 425
No3: 1ppm
phos: 0.025
mag: Not tested recently

Im using Nyos Phos and Nitrate tests and my reading are constantly low.
I feed fairly heavily a few times a day but at least twice a day at minimum.
I do regular water changes of around 10% but even when ive skipped a week the nutrients don't change much
I try to clean the glass daily or at least every second day as I seem to get a dusty film on the glass, back glass as it gets cleaned less regularly does develop some algae type of slime. Rock work has a bit of cyano and dinos. Same with sandbed but sandbed has cleared up in recent weeks. No algae in other than small patches of green film algae.

Do I need to go down the nutrient dosing route? I could maybe squeeze one or two more smaller type fish in. I cant see how I could feed anymore than I do, short of maybe leaving a piece of shrimp in a filter sock?
What food are you feeding 3x a day? You could look to use something more nutrient rich.

@miamireef
Ah forgot to add that, mostly enriched brine shrimp, but I’ve also started making a mixture of raw shrimp, silverside, krill, and algae wafer, soaked in RO water and all blended together.

My fish tend to only really eat the brine shrimp which means it’s annoying as to what I can feed, only the clown will touch pellets
 
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Dosing is not hard or expensive, if feeding more isn’t a good plan for some reason.
Thanks Randy, I’ll maybe swing past the LFS and pick up stuff to dose at this point.

Never needed to dose nutrients in the past, always been able to keep them stable and control with fuge alone
 

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Ah forgot to add that, mostly enriched brine shrimp, but I’ve also started making a mixture of raw shrimp, silverside, krill, and algae wafer, soaked in RO water and all blended together.

My fish tend to only really eat the brine shrimp which means it’s annoying as to what I can feed, only the clown will touch pellets
That sounds like a nutritious diet maybe increase the volume? I’d also check out LRS Nano frenzy and Rod’s Food if your LFS has them. Also, TDO pellets for the clownfish really pack a nutrient punch. Many users report a phosphate increase after feeding Reef Roids but it may not bring your N up proportionally.
 

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Are you dosing anything for alk and calcium, or just changing water?
 

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Thanks Randy, I’ll maybe swing past the LFS and pick up stuff to dose at this point.

Never needed to dose nutrients in the past, always been able to keep them stable and control with fuge alone

DIY food grade from Amazon will be less expensive long term, and comes with a purity guarantee the hobby products typically lack.
 

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