Struggling to with zero Nitrate

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Hi All,
I am struggling with very low and often zero Nitrate in my marine aquarium. My Phos levels are Ok (~0.15) but unless I dose a large amount of NeoNitro my Nitrate will go down to zero. I have a 1000 litre tank so its getting expensive. I have read that DIY solutions with Sodium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium can be made but cant find details. Any clear instructions would be greatly apprenticed. Thanks in advance.
 
Welcome to Reef2Reef

What does your tank's filtration look like?
What kinds of foods and how often are you feeding?
What test kits are you using?
 
Hi All,
I am struggling with very low and often zero Nitrate in my marine aquarium. My Phos levels are Ok (~0.15) but unless I dose a large amount of NeoNitro my Nitrate will go down to zero. I have a 1000 litre tank so its getting expensive. I have read that DIY solutions with Sodium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium can be made but cant find details. Any clear instructions would be greatly apprenticed. Thanks in advance.
How are you testing levels?
 
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Hi All,
I am struggling with very low and often zero Nitrate in my marine aquarium. My Phos levels are Ok (~0.15) but unless I dose a large amount of NeoNitro my Nitrate will go down to zero. I have a 1000 litre tank so its getting expensive. I have read that DIY solutions with Sodium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium can be made but cant find details. Any clear instructions would be greatly apprenticed. Thanks in advance.

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

A DIY is a better bet from both cost and a purity guarantee perspective.

I recommend dosing ammonium bicarbonate. All of these have recipes.



This has more:

 
How old is your tank? It is not uncommon to have bottomed out nitrates for the first year or two. Zero nitrates can also happen in very mature tanks with a lot of coral. I have also had zero nitrates since I had too much biomedia in the sump. Different ways to approach the issue depending on the reason why nitrates are zero.
 
Are you dosing any bottled bacteria supplements? I was dosing a lot of them trying to combat dinos. While it helped, they would drive the NO3 to 0 within hours. I’ve since stopped the bacteria, and my NO3 is starting to stabilize. Just a thought.
 
I have read that DIY solutions with Sodium Nitrate,
This is the way - Randy already responded with recipes.

I'll just add this, I have used neonitro in the past, and it barely moved the needle. This DIY recipe is "potent", it makes a change you can test and see, and it does it quickly.
 
I have a clarisea cleaner, skimmer, chaeto refugium, and algea scubber.
Feeding frozen twice a day because I have anthias.
Using Hanna testers
Hmm. I know someone that had cheato, added an ATS, and the ATS worked so well that his cheato pretty much disintegrated.
 
not to derail the thread but I am honestly curious, what is the benefit of ammonium bicarbonate over ammonium chloride or ammonium hydroxide? is it just less effect on pH/alk?

The recipe link also provides a recipe for ammonium chloride. Drawback to it is that it depletes alkalinity.

Ammonium hydroxide is OK if you can get a good quality at known concentration, and can use with without too much ammonia loss to the air over time. . Ammonium bicarbonate is inexpensive as a solid sold in food grade for baking: "baking ammonia".
 
How are you testing levels?

Welcome to Reef2Reef!

A DIY is a better bet from both cost and a purity guarantee perspective.

I recommend dosing ammonium bicarbonate. All of these have recipes.



This has more:

Great info - thanks a lot
 
I prefer zero nutrients; the "old school" way.

Many people have heard that reducing nutrients to "zero" (nitrate, phosphate, etc as measured by hobby test kits) is not good for coral growth. The answer is, it depends. "Zero" is not really zero of course; hobby test kits don't need to test super low levels like lab tests do. In other words, there is always a level of nutrients there, even if you have "all zeros".

First thing to know is that natural reefs always test "zero" for nutrients with hobby test kits. Yet, they have very high growth rates; acro's can grow two feet in one year. But yes, some hobbyists do see less growth with zero nutrients. Why is this, and what is different with tanks compared to natural reefs?

One answer is food particles. The enormous amount of visible food particles (and invisible dissolved particles) in natural reefs is so high that at night some divers can't see their own hands. And the enormous level of photosynthesis on reefs consumes most of the resulting nutrients. But hobbyists can't have this level of food particles because of nutrient build up, so they reduce feeding, to as little as 1/1000 of natural reef levels. Thus, corals can starve from lack of food particles.

So one bandaid to help with this is to keep tank nutrients above "zero". This feeds bacteria around the corals, and the bacteria then become coral food. Softies take it in directly, by inflating with water, and polyps eat the microbes and pods that eat the bacteria.

This works but is self-limiting, because in most cases higher levels of phosphate is going to slow the coral growth, and also because bacteria are hard for polyps to grab. So the trick is to keep food particle levels up high, and keep nutrients down low, at the same time. In other words, try to duplicate natural reefs.

Also, some people say they get some brown dust algae (usually dino's) when nutrients go to zero. However this is temporary, because of phosphate leaving the sand and rocks. After a few weeks, this will go away.
 
I have a clarisea cleaner, skimmer, chaeto refugium, and algea scubber.
Feeding frozen twice a day because I have anthias.
Using Hanna testers
You have pretty much the whole gamut of nutrient export. Why not take some of that offline to see if you can avoid dosing nitrates which is being stripped out by your fuge and ATS?
 
You have pretty much the whole gamut of nutrient export. Why not take some of that offline to see if you can avoid dosing nitrates which is being stripped out by your fuge and ATS?
Thanks but that's all keeping my phosphate down to 0.15. Taking that away will increase my phosphate to undesirable high levels.
 

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