Tank birthday, 47+ years

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They are getting my supervision weather they want it or not. :cool:
You tell them Paul. My partner recently got some work done at her home I overlooked shall we say. When it was done they asked for payment. I refused and they asked why (They had fitted a 2'6" when the order I placed for her was for a 3' one) I quoted them " when the job is complete and she (I) is happy that's when you pay. So I told them the job is not complete until they return do the alterations and fit a new 3' door etc and she (I) is not happy till the job is completed to her satisfaction. She paid them minus a retention I insisted on and they returned 2 days later, completed the job to my satisfaction and my partner duly paid them the rest. I had a little fun with them but in the end they were fine about it. Mind you I gave them no other alternative. [emoji6] Would they have returned in 2 days had we paid for the job on their promise to return? We will never know but I wasn't taking that chance. The job cost in total around $1500 of you US dollars.
 
Thats the way all jobs should be done. :D
Na should have been done right first time, they had to make a 60 mile journey 120 round trip to come back and fair bit of extra wok to put it right. First rule of building before you start. Check and measure against the spec. ;)
 
I see a lot of Noob Threads asking to comment on their aquascape. That is a good idea but the scape is your preference. But I see in most of them too much rock, especially with flat surfaces sitting on the bottom. I know this is the easiest way to stack rock and it probably looks nicer, but it is not the way to go. IMO the contact areas should be as minimum as possible, maybe using the pointiest parts of the rock to contact the bottom so as not to restrict flow. It doesn't look like much but those stagnant areas add up and do nothing for tank health and maybe be detrimental as we want circulation in every area as much as possible.
My entire reef is sitting on DIY structures like this. You don't see these things in my tank because they are covered in rock and coral with just some of the "feet" visible.





It's hard to see in the picture but there is very little rock touching the gravel and water can circulate around, through and under the structure.
 
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I see a lot of Noob Threads asking to comment on their aquascape. That is a good idea but the scape is your preference. But I see in most of them too much rock, especially with flat surfaces sitting on the bottom. I know this is the easiest way to stack rock and it probably looks nicer, but it is not the way to go. IMO the contact areas should be as minimum as possible, maybe using the pointiest parts of the rock to contact the bottom so as not to restrict flow. It doesn't look like much but those stagnant areas add up and do nothing for tank health and maybe be detrimental as we want circulation in every area as much as possible.
My entire reef is sitting on DIY structures like this. You don't see these things in my tank because they are covered in rock and coral with just some of the "feet" visible.





It's hard to see in the picture but there is very little rock touching the gravel and water can circulate around, through and under the structure.

Personally I think there is a balance to be struck between rock touching the substrate and too much on the substrate. Also detritus does not faze me and some will always be present no matter while you have sand on the bottom of your tank. Worms will get under most of the rock as in truth unless the rock is completely flat plying on the glass worms and pods etc will get under it and to some point disturb and eat it but not all of course. I had plenty of detritus in my sump and believe it became mostly inert. I could keep my nutrients as low as I wanted with my ATS and Oxydator's etc but no mechanical filtration but that is another story. Can a tank be too clean? Maybe. Of course there is a lot more to this and still much we have to learn esp as to why something might work well for one might not for another often with no obvious reason as to why.
 
Paul @ .25 of video, What is the bubble on the top of the urchin? I never had one
 
That is part of those urchins and is not an eye. Actually it is the other end of the creature if you know what I mean. :rolleyes:

 
Atoll, I was not referring to detritus as I feel like you about that and it is a non issue. I was referring to circulation and hiding places.
 
Atoll, I was not referring to detritus as I feel like you about that and it is a non issue. I was referring to circulation and hiding places.
Gottcha Paul just most people worry about detritus under the rocks hence the fashion or whatever for suspended reefs and bare bottoms. Not a fan of those myself. Our problem is Paul we have been in this hobby so long we are set in our successful ways [emoji6]
 
Atoll, Most people have trouble with almost everything. I am not sure why. You and me find this very easy, but I think people make it hard. The fish live on their own with very little help from us, but when we "help" them with quarantine, medication, dips, observation tanks and all that, we totally screw them up. I don't have any of that stuff and haven't in decades. I also don't want to spend thousands on this as it is a hobby. I buy some food and thats it. :cool:

I try to explain a simple system and even wrote a book. I have been writing this stuff forever but for some reason people just don't believe or don't want to. Or maybe all my fish are plastic :eek:
 
The part I think will be hard with your method is having a new tank that’s Virgin and not being able to use sea water would be keeping fish health in till there immune system gets strong.
If you get your first couple fish and one or more gets sick I’m guessing you would have to treat them. At that point you will kill there immune system.
Will the fish over time rebuild there immune system or will it be gone for good?
 
Atoll, Most people have trouble with almost everything. I am not sure why. You and me find this very easy, but I think people make it hard. The fish live on their own with very little help from us, but when we "help" them with quarantine, medication, dips, observation tanks and all that, we totally screw them up. I don't have any of that stuff and haven't in decades. I also don't want to spend thousands on this as it is a hobby. I buy some food and thats it. :cool:

I try to explain a simple system and even wrote a book. I have been writing this stuff forever but for some reason people just don't believe or don't want to. Or maybe all my fish are plastic :eek:
Like me you don't have an ology Paul my children do but then you can't get an ology for knocking a nail in a piece of wood or for building something and DIY like we do all the time. My children have ologies in all kinds of things but when they want someting doing like knocking a nail in a piece of wood or any number of building or DIY suff they call for dad to do it for them. Don't get me wrong I am more than happy to do it for them but in doing so they learn nothing as they tend to take little interest. I did rope my son into one project he wanted doing building a decking patio which involved digging out footings and concreting but I am not sure he learnt so much as he hates DIY but I needed a labourer so needs must etc.

This is him putting a fee decking screws in as it nears completion. [emoji848]
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Like me you don't have an ology Paul my children do but then you can't get an ology for knocking a nail in a piece of wood or for building something and DIY like we do all the time. My children have ologies in all kinds of things but when they want someting doing like knocking a nail in a piece of wood or any number of building or DIY suff they call for dad to do it for them. Don't get me wrong I am more than happy to do it for them but in doing so they learn nothing as they tend to take little interest. I did rope my son into one project he wanted doing building a decking patio which involved digging out footings and concreting but I am not sure he learnt so much as he hates DIY but I needed a labourer so needs must etc.

This is him putting a fee decking screws in as it nears completion. [emoji848]
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Not sure but he may have just been painting the decking there. A couple more with it under construction with a manhole and 2 rainwater gullies to get round. I did of course fit a hatch door over the manhole cover.
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I guess I'm from the old school as well. Just finished rebuilding my deck. I have 2 sons and 2 daughters and only the oldest son and youngest daughter are interested in learning about building stuff and getting their hands dirty. The other twO kids are not lazy but would rather not get into the getting your hands dirty thing. My son helped me with the deck and I taught him alot along the way. He is never afraid of trying to fix things. I taught all my kids early on that failure is a part of learning and as long as you learn something from your mistakes it was worth it. I think too many kids today are coddled and not allowed to fail as children so when they go out into the world and inevitably fail at something, they don't know how to get over it and move on. I built my own stand and sump when I started out, wouldn't do it any other way!
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Strange thing is my youngest son and daughter do show some interest and will attempt minor DIY both have pen.pusjing jobs while my eldest son who is a foreman engineer shows no interest mind you he programmes engineering machines etc rather than standing at a lath or other. I have undertaken lots of building work but mainly carpentry as I started out in my working life as a carpenter. I think they think I am some sort of a god or magician for the things I jahave ve done for them they wouldn't dream of tackling. [emoji23]
 
The deck is beautiful. I can't believe people call a builder to build a deck. I don't remember how many I built for myself and friends. My Son n law doesn't even know which end of a screwdriver to bang a nail in with. My Daughter is a little better but they both have too much college so they don't have much common sense.
I think we taught our Daughter right anyway and she always had to pay her own way, buy her car, apartment, insurance and everything else. I love our Son N Law but he never had to pay for anything on his own. I don't believe in paying for things for kids. After a certain age of course, infants are lousy at building decks.

Pay for it yourself, or just don't have it. It worked for me and it worked for her. I have had a real job since I was 12, cutting cars apart with an acetylene torch in a junk yard. Try that with a 12 year old today. :eek: They just want a stupid tablet which teaches them to ask Daddy for money. :cool:
I am also very proud to say I have no Oligies. I used to live a few blocks from the railroad and I would always tell people. See those old people getting off the train 9 and 10:00 at night wearing suits. They are college graduates. I used to get home at 3:00 and retired when I could still walk, I have a nice pension and free medical. Oligies aren't for everyone unless you really like your job and don't ever want to retire. :D
I also never had to hire anyone for anything until today when I am having an elevator installed. I would do that myself but you need a license here to do that and I don't have one.
I also had to hire an electrician to connect it even though I have been a Master electrician for fifty years and am much more qualified that the guy I had to hire. You need a license for every town here. :cool:
Some people don't care about free time, but I did so I became a construction electrician. It was hard work, but there was always an end in sight and the work kept me in good shape although I wore out all my joints. :confused:

This is me on top of the Plaza Hotel installing some lights. It was 17 degrees that day. That is snow covered Central Park below me. I took two of those metal Halide lights home for my tank.

And me CAD welding in a Garbage incinerator in NYC. Man's work, Not Sissy, Girly mans work. :p

 
The part I think will be hard with your method is having a new tank that’s Virgin and not being able to use sea water would be keeping fish health in till there immune system gets strong.
If you get your first couple fish and one or more gets sick I’m guessing you would have to treat them. At that point you will kill there immune system.
Will the fish over time rebuild there immune system or will it be gone for good?

From my understanding, real saltwater is not really important at all. Good, mature liverock, fresh and live food, and a UV or ozone seem to be the cornerstones for this kind of method.

@Paul B can add to or correct as needed
 
From my understanding, real saltwater is not really important at all. Good, mature liverock, fresh and live food, and a UV or ozone seem to be the cornerstones for this kind of method.

@Paul B can add to or correct as needed
And bo medications. I use Oxydators instead of ozone which give similar results. Make my owm foods, well much of it and bought fresh from the fish market. Also creating an as natural environment where the fish feel at home and secure wuth little aggression. I use fish oils with my homemade foods and try and keep fish as they are found in nature in pairs or groups. All this helps with their well-being and immunity.
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