TTM Question!

[Baby Boomer]

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Marine Ich & Marine Velvet Disease:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

So if my fish is Velvet free in 13 Days. Should not my display Tank be free of Velvet with no fish for 13 Days? What am I missing?

 

[Fish Fan]

I'm not so sure that the TTM is 100% reliable as nothing is really a 100% guarantee, but I'll let the R2R fish medic guys comment on the efficacy of TTM. What I think you're missing is that the pest organism isn't transferred out of your display tank the way it is when you transfer your fish from tank to tank. For that reason, the disease has to run its lifecycle and die off without a fish host. The time for this is faster for Velvet than it would be for Ich, and I believe about 45-60 days should do it.

Good luck!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Marine Ich & Marine Velvet Disease:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

So if my fish is Velvet free in 13 Days. Should not my display Tank be free of Velvet with no fish for 13 Days? What am I missing?

This is a Humblefish recipe and is 3 years old and be it known, TTM. may or may not address velvet in lieu of doing Hyposalinity which is less stressful to fish being moved every 24-36 hours but Hyposalinity is not for all fish which too can be stressful to some species
If fish are tolerant, I recommend moving them every other day
I recommend coppersafe at 2.25ppm for a full 30 days and requiring one treatment tank and monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit, also leaving display tank fishless for 6-8 weeks

 

[Baby Boomer]

The entire life cycle can be completed in as little as four days!!!

Then i found this: The longest life cycle for velvet disease is up to 30-34 days

 

[Baby Boomer]

Thanks Guys!

 

[CHSUB]

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Marine Ich & Marine Velvet Disease:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

So if my fish is Velvet free in 13 Days. Should not my display Tank be free of Velvet with no fish for 13 Days? What am I missing?

Works as published by numerous North American universities. However doesn’t work for your display because TTM isolates the trophont stage on the fish only not the tomont stage in your aquarium.

With that, Humble Fish has a method that uses h202 TTM that works for most parasites…I use it with all my fish.

 

[Baby Boomer]

I had to try the H2O2 dip or some of the fish wouldn't have made it. One more question with my tangs out of the display. I'm all ready seeing tiny green hair algae! even though I'm not feeding.
My Acros don't look happy with the algae eating all the nutrient! Any ideas?

 

[CHSUB]

I had to try the H2O2 dip or some of the fish wouldn't have made it. One more question with my tangs out of the display. I'm all ready seeing tiny green hair algae! even though I'm not feeding.
My Acros don't look happy with the algae eating all the nutrient! Any ideas?

Feed the corals, manually remove the algae..

 

[Baby Boomer]

1 Little short cut on a Qt and your whole life is over! Full 30 days in copper from now on!

Jeez I love this Hobby

 

[CHSUB]

1 Little short cut on a Qt and your whole life is over! Full 30 days in copper from now on!

Jeez I love this Hobby

I personally do TTM with dips, also works.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Below is a TTM schedule which will eliminate both Marine Ich & Marine Velvet Disease:

Day 1 - fish in tank
Day 2 - 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 - 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 - 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 - 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 - 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 - 6th transfer at 71 hours

So if my fish is Velvet free in 13 Days. Should not my display Tank be free of Velvet with no fish for 13 Days? What am I missing?

Velvet is not easily eliminated through TTM - some of the resting stage seem to be able to hang out in the gill mucus, keeping the infection going. There is some indication that TTM with one hour 75 ppm hydrogen peroxide dips right before a move helps a lot.

Your tank won’t be velvet free in 13 days, because the resting spores are still there and some will still be infective. In the TTM moves, you lose those with each move.

The fallow period for velvet seems to be shorter than for ich, but is still longer than 21 days.

Finally, true velvet is very rare, and less you catch it very early, the fish will die before the first move in TTM. Well over half the cases I see diagnosed as velvet are actually just advanced cases of ich.

 

[kboogie]

Is there a reason other than personal preference you would not use copper? I understand if you have fish that can’t tolerate copper but if that is not the case I would be curious why you would not go with the most effective course of treatment?

 

[winxp_man]

Is there a reason other than personal preference you would not use copper? I understand if you have fish that can’t tolerate copper but if that is not the case I would be curious why you would not go with the most effective course of treatment?

There should be no reason not to use copper safe or copper power. Which are chealated copper. Ionic copper is the stressor for fish (curpramine by seachem).

 

[Baby Boomer]

They are in copper! I did a H2O2 Dip then QT in Copper! I was Just wondering why so little time in QT with TTM 13 Days and my tank up to 40-60 Days. It seem to move so very fast I thought it would burn its life cycle fast too. Thanks Chris