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I'm having trouble with a brand new valentini. I'm not new to puffers - I also keep peas, gsps, and a porcupine. This little guy just got in a couple of days ago and was being quarantined with a bicolor blenny that he came with. The puffer seemed totally fine after he got over his initial stress. He ate a bunch 2 nights ago and seemed to be getting along just fine. However, the blenny was found dead yesterday morning, and last night the puffer was breathing pretty hard, looked like he was going to the surface intermittently (for air? I don't know), his mouth was wide open - as much as it could probably get - and he was refusing food. Otherwise his color looked fine, and he wasn't clamped.

He had been staying mostly toward mid-level of the tank, and not having notable swimming issues, but when I went to go check on him before bed, he was on his side at the bottom/back of the tank.

I've been checking his parameters daily, and the only thing that had been elevated was ammonia, which started at around 0.10ppm and had gradually been going down in it's own. I was told elsewhere just to leave it if it was going down by itself (maybe bad advice). I took parameters again when I found him last night, and everything looked fine except ammonia, which had spiked up to maybe just under 0.20ppm. I did a 30-ish % water change and used erase-cl to bring the ammonia under control, which is coming up at 0ppm now.

I also thought it could be an air issue, but I have a pretty hefty filter going (bigger than called for, for the tank size - it was pulled from a larger healthy tank to help seed the quarantine tank during setup, and has seemed to be doing fine there ever since) as well as a small powerhead. I did change the direction the powerhead was pointing last night for more surface agitation, though I'm honestly not sure if that was the right move, just a best guess.

I have access to meds but didn't want to do anything to make it worse without knowing what was going on, but after seeing how he was last night, I decided to add pimafix, just in case. I'm holding off on cupramine with how weak he looks, unless I can get some better info. I can add prazipro to his food if I can get him eating.

This morning he was upright again, in what has become his "sleeping position" against a rock, but still breathing hard. He's still there this afternoon, no change, if not maybe looking a little grey.

Tank info:
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrite: 0ppm
Nitrate: 2.0ppm
PH: 8.2
Salinity: 1.023

10 gal temp quarantine tank (tub actually, that I use for quarantine), pretty new and fully cycled (but fairly recently), fishless, heavily using seed materials from a healthy 2-year-old tank, also Seacham Stability and Prime.

No tank mates now - blenny died

I got him from what I now know to be a less than reputable company with a lot of deaths after arrival. But I'd really like to avoid that if I can - I really like him.

I'd appreciate any help!
 

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I'm having trouble with a brand new valentini. I'm not new to puffers - I also keep peas, gsps, and a porcupine. This little guy just got in a couple of days ago and was being quarantined with a bicolor blenny that he came with. The puffer seemed totally fine after he got over his initial stress. He ate a bunch 2 nights ago and seemed to be getting along just fine. However, the blenny was found dead yesterday morning, and last night the puffer was breathing pretty hard, looked like he was going to the surface intermittently (for air? I don't know), his mouth was wide open - as much as it could probably get - and he was refusing food. Otherwise his color looked fine, and he wasn't clamped.

He had been staying mostly toward mid-level of the tank, and not having notable swimming issues, but when I went to go check on him before bed, he was on his side at the bottom/back of the tank.

I've been checking his parameters daily, and the only thing that had been elevated was ammonia, which started at around 0.10ppm and had gradually been going down in it's own. I was told elsewhere just to leave it if it was going down by itself (maybe bad advice). I took parameters again when I found him last night, and everything looked fine except ammonia, which had spiked up to maybe just under 0.20ppm. I did a 30-ish % water change and used erase-cl to bring the ammonia under control, which is coming up at 0ppm now.

I also thought it could be an air issue, but I have a pretty hefty filter going (bigger than called for, for the tank size - it was pulled from a larger healthy tank to help seed the quarantine tank during setup, and has seemed to be doing fine there ever since) as well as a small powerhead. I did change the direction the powerhead was pointing last night for more surface agitation, though I'm honestly not sure if that was the right move, just a best guess.

I have access to meds but didn't want to do anything to make it worse without knowing what was going on, but after seeing how he was last night, I decided to add pimafix, just in case. I'm holding off on cupramine with how weak he looks, unless I can get some better info. I can add prazipro to his food if I can get him eating.

This morning he was upright again, in what has become his "sleeping position" against a rock, but still breathing hard. He's still there this afternoon, no change, if not maybe looking a little grey.

Tank info:
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrite: 0ppm
Nitrate: 2.0ppm
PH: 8.2
Salinity: 1.023

10 gal temp quarantine tank (tub actually, that I use for quarantine), pretty new and fully cycled (but fairly recently), fishless, heavily using seed materials from a healthy 2-year-old tank, also Seacham Stability and Prime.

No tank mates now - blenny died

I got him from what I now know to be a less than reputable company with a lot of deaths after arrival. But I'd really like to avoid that if I can - I really like him.

I'd appreciate any help!

Given the history of the fish (eating and then stopping), the rapid breathing plus the blenny dying all point to either a water quality issue or marine velvet, Amyloodinium. Going with the idea that you've ruled out water quality issues, that leaves the velvet. Copper is the best preventative for that, but once the fish start dying from it, copper won't work - it takes three days to stop an infection, and the puffer likely doesn't have that long (sorry). You could try a FW dip to buy some time and then start the copper tonight, but I'm not overly optimistic.

Jay
 

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What is age of tank?
Looking at numbers, you can disregard nitrite and ammonia seems unusual at zero with fish death.
Salinity, slightly low but not critical
Are you using RODI water or tap water from the faucet?
 
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Given the history of the fish (eating and then stopping), the rapid breathing plus the blenny dying all point to either a water quality issue or marine velvet, Amyloodinium. Going with the idea that you've ruled out water quality issues, that leaves the velvet. Copper is the best preventative for that, but once the fish start dying from it, copper won't work - it takes three days to stop an infection, and the puffer likely doesn't have that long (sorry). You could try a FW dip to buy some time and then start the copper tonight, but I'm not overly optimistic.

Jay
Thanks for your quick and thorough advice, Jay. This was the only helpful answer I had out of 3 different forum sites, and it made sense. I went ahead and did the FW dip this afternoon and added copper very shortly after at half-dose (based on puffer-specific advice I found in a different thread). He was not pleased, and for a couple of hours afterward, just by the way he looked, I was certain he was going to be gone by morning. However, for the past hour and a half to maybe 2 hours, he's been up and swimming as normal, perfect color, you would never suspect something might be wrong. I haven't tried to feed him yet - I'm going to leave him alone until at least tomorrow afternoon. I don't think we're out of the woods yet, but it looks like, just maybe, your advice might have saved his life. I'll keep you updated.
 

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Thanks for your quick and thorough advice, Jay. This was the only helpful answer I had out of 3 different forum sites, and it made sense. I went ahead and did the FW dip this afternoon and added copper very shortly after at half-dose (based on puffer-specific advice I found in a different thread). He was not pleased, and for a couple of hours afterward, just by the way he looked, I was certain he was going to be gone by morning. However, for the past hour and a half to maybe 2 hours, he's been up and swimming as normal, perfect color, you would never suspect something might be wrong. I haven't tried to feed him yet - I'm going to leave him alone until at least tomorrow afternoon. I don't think we're out of the woods yet, but it looks like, just maybe, your advice might have saved his life. I'll keep you updated.

If you are using copper power or coppersafe, you should go with a full dose - velvet is pretty touch to control.

Jay
 
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If you are using copper power or coppersafe, you should go with a full dose - velvet is pretty touch to control.

Jay
I'm using cupramine.

This morning his breathing had returned to normal, and he's been swimming around all day like nothing happened. I just fed him, and while he didn't eat much, he was interested and kept trying.

Seems very positive right now.
 

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