What is consuming my calcium and alkalinity?

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For the last several months, I’ve had a hard time keeping my dKh levels above 6-6.5, even with daily dosing. I think my LFS must’ve changed the salt they use in their premixed saltwater because I tested the water prior to putting it in my tank, and I discovered that it reads right at 7 dkh. Previously, it read at 9 dkh when they were using a better mixture. Thus, I began dosing sodium bicarbonate a few months ago to compensate for this change.

Every day that I dose, I get my levels right to 7. By the next day, they’re back at 6.5. If I wait a few days between doses, they’re down to 6. Meanwhile, my calcium was doing well at 480 in a primarily softie/macro tank, so I saw no reason to dose it. That was until I did a large water change (50%) while moving the tank to a different room, with the added (albeit hopeful) benefit of potentially putting magnesium back to my water in case my mag levels were impacting my dKh. I don’t have a mag test, so I don’t know what my magnesium levels were before the change, but I figured a water change could only bring things closer back to equilibrium at this point anyways. That was a few weeks ago. Immediately after the water change, my calcium levels actually decreased from 480 to 430. I discovered since then that the premixed saltwater only contains about 380 of calcium in it anyways, so it made sense to me that calcium would decrease at that time.


Anyways, a couple weeks go by. I decide to test. On Monday of this week, my calcium was reading really low at 380. My dkh had dropped to 6.5 without sodium bicarbonate dosing. No idea what my magnesium was. I immediately dosed both calcium and sodium bicarbonate. My dkh went up to 7 and calcium crept up to 400.

On Tuesday, I decided that there’s no point in dosing calcium and alk if I know that the reason they’re low to begin with is likely caused by the LFS saltwater mixture. So I went and bought my own “high quality” salt mix, pulled a couple gallons of my aquarium water out (I’m trying to conserve my nitrates so didn’t want to do a water change since I just did one a few weeks ago), added about a half cup of the new salt mix to the aquarium water, mixed it, then put the aquarium water back in and topped off with rodi water so that I wouldn’t swing my salinity. This increased my alkalinity immediately from 7 to 8 dkh. Great! Meanwhile, my calcium levels went to around 420. Awesome! Feeling like maybe with a more expensive salt mixture, I’d have better buffering agents/mag levels/increased calcium, so I thought wouldn’t have to worry about maintaining my levels for a few days at least.

Wrong. I tested this morning (24 hours later). Dkh is back at 7ish (more like 7.25). what the heck? And calcium precipitated out of the water to my back glass and on top of my filter. Now my calcium is back down to 380. ***. What am I missing here? I’m guessing the calcium precipitation occurred from increasing my alkalinity by an entire point within 24 hours. But could something else be causing this?

Here’s what my current params are:
Alk 7.25 dkh
Calcium 380
Mag ??
Salinity 1.026
Temp 78
Ph 8.1

Macros: botryocladia, small cluster of codium, fern caulerpa
Softies: Large colony of GSP, medium sized colony of pulsing Xenia, and small colony of clove polyps
LPS: medium sized 2 headed torch, 1 small hammer, 2 small candy canes, small 3 headed Duncan
Invert: 2 BTAs and 1 RFA, 1 cleaner shrimp, handful of trochus snails, 20ish hermit crabs
Fish: Valentini puffer, clown, couple of cardinals, yellow and shrimp watchman gobies

Tank size: 29 gallon display w a 10 gallon sump
Tank age is 1.5 years
 

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I see a number of things on that list of organisms that use some alk and calcium (including snails), and while you did not mention it, coralline can be a huge user. Various sorts of worms also use alk and calcium. Some soft coral tanks can use 2 dKH per day.

Precipitation of calcium carbonate on sand and rock can also use significant alk and calcium, and the higher you try to keep alk (and pH), the more that will happen.

If you want to maintain 9 dKH, but may just have to routinely dose. If you try to keep 7 dKH, you will need less each day.

Using a higher alk salt mix will help some, but isn't an improvement over dosing what you need.
 
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I see a number of things on that list of organisms that use some alk and calcium (including snails), and while you did not mention it, coralline can be a huge user. Various sorts of worms also use alk and calcium. Some soft coral tanks can use 2 dKH per day.

Precipitation of calcium carbonate on sand and rock can also use significant alk and calcium, and the higher you try to keep alk (and pH), the more that will happen.

If you want to maintain 9 dKH, but may just have to routinely dose. If you try to keep 7 dKH, you will need less each day.

Using a higher alk salt mix will help some, but isn't an improvement over dosing what you need.
I do have some rocks with a decent amount of coralline, but I noticed that its growth to anywhere else has been stunted/stopped entirely since my dkh has lingered around 6-7. I also noticed that my torch has recently not been extending as fully, nor has my Duncan, so I’m thinking the tank needs the extra alkalinity anyways. I don’t have any worms or dusters in the tank currently. Aside from my LPS corals, I mainly want to increase alk to 9 or 10 so I won’t have to dose/test daily as I’m having a baby very soon. I’d rather dose weekly or biweekly if necessary, so I thought maybe a better buffering system than sodium bicarbonate alone (as in a better salt mixture with different forms of alk or whatever is used to stabilize things) could help do this for me? I guess that’s kind of what I’m asking here as well

The calcium precipitation only occurred after I just increased the alk from 7 to 8 within 24 hours. Prior to this, I haven’t had any precipitation. Is it safe to say that the one point jump/calcium precipitation is likely why my calcium and alk dropped so substantially over night this time? If so, should I aim to just change more small amounts of tank water with the new salt mixture than what I did earlier this week to gradually increase dkh, or will the corals consume it up as quickly as they have been the sodium bicarbonate and liquid calcium? How do I increase more than a half point at a time without causing calcium precipitation, if that is the case?
 
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any way you can make your own water? @Randy Holmes-Farley
I tried to talk my partner into letting me get an RODI system, but we’re both govt employees so likely not until spring unfortunately. I was only able to swing more salt the other day because I disguised it on the receipt by buying our family cat her food at petco at the same time lol
 

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I tried to talk my partner into letting me get an RODI system, but we’re both govt employees so likely not until spring unfortunately. I was only able to swing more salt the other day because I disguised it on the receipt by buying our family cat her food at petco at the same time lol
That was good thinking, you may be on to something with that move!
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Well, I do not know if boost alk and calcium will accomplish the tasks you want, buts it’s fairly cheap to do so. Use baking soda for the alk.
 

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