I’m learning I need to upgrade things like I do my cellphone. Wait three versions and buy new.
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7 or 8 years is way too long.
My XR30W cost about $900 new.
My 250w DE Giesseman fixture cost about $450 new.
The Giesseman goes through about $120 worth of bulbs a year. That puts the horizon at 4 years. It uses about $50 more a year in electricity than the XR30W - that lowers the horizon to 31 months. And thats not even accounting for the additional HVAC load and other cooling concerns.
You can argue that the Geisseman is a silly luxury fixture (and it is) - but so is the Radion. The numbers are even more in LEDs favor once you start comparing cheap LED fixtures vs cheap halide fixtures.
Everything grows in price because WE continue to pay the exorbitant price. This will only continue as long as WE accept it as normal. Yah some will chalk it up as R&D, inflation, off shore tariffs and the such, but prices are climbing to fast for that. It’s a money grab, one company sees they can command a certain price and then miraculously every other comparable light is near the same price. Thats not happenstance. Look at every item in this industry, from reactors, sump, chems, etc the are all priced similarly. Anything priced slightly less is just an underbidding sales tactic.
The problem is if your in the game, then they have you.
You are so right.Everything grows in price because WE continue to pay the exorbitant price. This will only continue as long as WE accept it as normal. Yah some will chalk it up as R&D, inflation, off shore tariffs and the such, but prices are climbing to fast for that. It’s a money grab, one company sees they can command a certain price and then miraculously every other comparable light is near the same price. Thats not happenstance. Look at every item in this industry, from reactors, sump, chems, etc the are all priced similarly. Anything priced slightly less is just an underbidding sales tactic.
The problem is if your in the game, then they have you.
I so totally agree with you.
There is that thing .... we all have a need list and a want list. Maybe it is better will fulfill the need list first, just my opinion.
In actuality, LED life expectancy is 12-15 years.Why are these company’s putting out a light fixture that cost $840 a piece. Plus they can only cover about 24”x24”. So most likely your need 2-3 even 6. Costing $1700- $5,100. So what are the life expectancy 5years or more? Really surprise that the cost only comes down when a new generation comes out. Seems to me why a company can put a more reasonable price especially the actual area they cover. It’s probably the second important equipment you need in a reef tank. What’s your opinion?
Is it even that short? I thought it was even longer than that, but it’s the guts of the fixture that go bad.In actuality, LED life expectancy is 12-15 years.
In actuality, LED life expectancy is 12-15 years.
But the PAR drop off will be significant.That life expectancy is if you run it 24/7
Not necessarily. LEDs run at full intensity until they die. (I'm an Electronics Tech)But the PAR drop off will be significant.
Do you want to know what p***es me off? It's people feel the need to come to the defense of inflated prices. I equate that to stoking your fireplace with hundred dollar bills to stay warm. And it baffles my mind how people with zero steak in a companies profit feel the need to defend them like they do.Every 3 months a thread like this come up.
I will play the OP in advance because I personally I am fed up with this stupid kind of threads.
Yes you can use use and buy MH there are some suppliers in the USA, I am from EU.
You can use and buy T5 fixtures.
Why you OP do not buy a MH or T5 fixtures??????
I don not get anymore this kind of threads,,,,,
this kind of threads never end well.
Please use and buy whatever light technology you want and you can afford.
I am little p... off because every time this kind of threads come up never end well.
My little rant. I am sorry. But too much is too much. Don´t like led, buy MH and or T5.
What'll really cook your noodle is how much faster the power supply drops off in efficiency.Is it even that short? I thought it was even longer than that, but it’s the guts of the fixture that go bad.
IMO lights are crazy expensive because everyone needs them, and they’re fun technology. People just getting into the hobby will decide that an APEX isn’t necessary, but they need 3x AI Prime 16 HD over their 20 gallon tank because their GSP needs proper coverage.
We have also seen a lot of ”research” being put into lights these days. I have no idea how good the research is, but it sure seems to have helped Radion sell lights.
My gut tells me partially to cover R&D costs. Also, LEDs are more versatile and convenient. All in all, the price fits market demands. My two cents.