...This thread is going really well.
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I fear I got a little nippy and contributed to that. I apologize to OP for helping derail things....This thread is going really well.
Well this is understandable and correct thing to do as if I asked jay for help as think my fish have ich then him showing a fts of his tank wouldn't help me in the slightest lolOne characteristic of the disease forum that really stands out to me, perhaps most of all, is each time someone posts for help Jay doesn't respond with a link of his tank.
they get info relative to their tank
in contrast, what does every single non quarantine debate thread show? advocates post solely pics of their own tank, for all arguments, for all angles, 100% of the time. that's a telling difference. inbound vs outbound locus of control.
Jay you're so thorough about helping others relative to their actual issues I don't even know a thing about your own home reef. I'd assume its dang nice, and not teeming with disease.
Well hopefully it stays " tame" and doesnt descend fast as that attitude gets nowhere,plus also rallying others up to get a reaction then few pages later say " hey everyone let's calm down now and get back to matter at hand "very tame for a loss analysis thread. they usually descend, fast.
Well this sounds good if fish quality improving,shame about covid slowing it down or putting on hold or whatever it has done.One caveat - over the past ten years, things were changing for he better in regards to fish from this region. Covid caused some lost ground, but there are some better quality fish coming from the region now….but you need to know how to find them.
Jay
Yeah I think this is a very important of fish keeping whether qt or not qt and feed the fish best we can just like we should be eating best we can eat.How about junk food feeding vs the level of effort Paul puts into fish food prep, surely that factors strong
Pauls posts about commuted immunity from live and fresh food bacterial complement stands out among healthy long-lived fish owners
Your right I try get involved as much as I can including fish diesese threads ( even though never medicated any saltwater fish) but yes been alot of learning from others who had sick fish and what they looked like and the such and recommended way out of their problems.Ying yang
people who don't practice quarantine often have a standard to uphold when they recommend best practices to others. A few will step outside that personal practice and recommend what works best for the masses: but usually people just relay to others what they themselves use.
anyone here who manages other's reef tanks after cycling knows the disease loss rate, and its massive. People who do not do any degree of tracking of other's tanks after cycling and base all advice on their own sourcing and procedure are likely to not agree, but we can see actual reality forming on any day by just reading the new rates of posts in the disease forum, its amazingly busy.
You have been part of several disease threads since the date of that post, you are seeing live time the rate of disease expression in the hobby. its been pretty good learning I can assume
Nope - I have one 16 gallon AIO at home. I worked with fish professionally for 45+ years, just retired in October.One characteristic of the disease forum that really stands out to me, perhaps most of all, is each time someone posts for help Jay doesn't respond with a link of his tank.
they get info relative to their tank
in contrast, what does every single non quarantine debate thread show? advocates post solely pics of their own tank, for all arguments, for all angles, 100% of the time. that's a telling difference. inbound vs outbound locus of control.
Jay you're so thorough about helping others relative to their actual issues I don't even know a thing about your own home reef. I'd assume its dang nice, and not teeming with disease.
This, beyond a shadow of a doubt for me. If the reasons were the fish it would happen to everyone. But it doesn't.inexperienced and unknowledgeable, first-time fish buyers are the biggest reason for early and preventable fish death.
(due to, examples; overstocking, adding fish without cycling, not QT'ing, poor acclimation, poor filtration, poor fish choice for size tank, poor food choice......etc, etc)
Although I have QT as one of the choices, and I am a firm believer in QT, my goal with this thread was to get a sense of what we all experience and perhaps to give novices some info to think about as they enter the hobby. I've followed many of the QT / Don't QT threads and I think they have probably touched every possible angle on both sides of that topic.I'm not against QT. I just don't. And I stocked accordingly to fish that have the best success rate without qt. And I'm at 6months since the first fish. Only death was a jumper. I've since gotten a lid made.
I think diet is a bigger initial problem thn disease. Healthy fish will have positive immune response to alot of disease. The ones that are most lethal will likley hit much quicker. I think live, or quality frozen like LRS is the way to go. I've never dropped a dry food in my tank. They get lrs daily as well as there's a massive pod population.
That's not advocating against the QT process however, especially adding to an established tank.
Agreed, and if I read Jay's post correctly even he didn't often have an exact cause of death.Although I have QT as one of the choices, and I am a firm believer in QT, my goal with this thread was to get a sense of what we all experience and perhaps to give novices some info to think about as they enter the hobby. I've followed many of the QT / Don't QT threads and I think they have probably touched every possible angle on both sides of that topic.
Reality is likely that we do not really know the real reason for many of the deaths but can only form assumptions based on our observations since most of us don't have the ability to perform necropsies.
(im not getting any more for this tank. therefore there will not be any disease transmission.) i am not quitting the hobby, i just dont want any morei will never have any sick fish with my current tank cause i am not getting any more