Amoxicillin or other antibiotics to treat livestock: Are you doing it?

[revhtree]

Recently @Randy Holmes-Farley shared a thread here about using Amoxicillin to treat wild coral disease and it got me thinking about how many of us are actually using antibiotics in our reef tanks. I have included the articles referenced by Randy as well as a couple of more discussions and articles here from R2R for you to look at. I would like to use the QOTD today to get your opinions and information about it!

1. Are you using Amoxicillin or other antibiotics to treat corals or other livestock?

2. What have you used and what were the results?

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease​

Protocol for using antibiotics to treat infected anemones​

Assessing the effectiveness of two intervention methods for stony coral tissue loss disease on Montastraea cavernosa​

A common antibiotic slows a mysterious coral disease​

image source from article here

 

[New&no clue]

I recently used Cipro to treat Brown Jelly in my DT.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[DeepintheReef]

I recently used Cipro to treat Brown Jelly in my DT.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

Currently doing this as well. So far I have been dosing one 500 mg dissolved tablet version 50 gallons in my frag system daily for 8 days. started losing hammer heads here and there despite dipping and removing bad heads. Once it started hitting torches, I pulled the trigger on treatment.

I’m planning on a 14 day treatment for brown jelly as well as some anemones closing up. Tank has literally every kind of coral except NPS and no I’ll effects this far.

 

[ChiCity]

every reefer that keeps euphyllias
should always have cipro/ab’s on hand…

 

[elorablue]

No. I don't use antibiotics on myself either.

 

[T-J]

I've used Chemiclean on one of my tanks for Cyano. If you don't know, Chemiclean is erythromycin.

 

[Dania]

No, Helios the Betta is really healthy. Knock on wood

 

[Jeffcb]

I used it 30 plus years ago for Cyano I guess. A friend on mine at the time wrote an article about Myacin eradicating red slime in marine aquariums and got it published in Aquarium Magazine. Works well. Its gets both red and green slime.

 

[revhtree]

every reefer that keeps euphyllias
should always have cipro/ab’s on hand…

Can you explain more as to why and how you utilize this?

 

[revhtree]

I recently used Cipro to treat Brown Jelly in my DT.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

How did it turn out? Would you use it again?

 

[ca1ore]

Never in the display. I regularly use nitrofuracin green powder as an aid to new fish in QT. I also use it to treat any symptoms that may present that call for antibiotic. I have also use both cipro and septra to treat infections in magnifica anemones.

 

[LRT]

I used Cipro to treat a couple shrooms for a couple different ailments.
Jawbreaker shown in this thread was nearly all shrunk up and gone after a severe Nitrate overdose.
Had a wierd whiteness on its foot and would not attach or stay attached.
Also treated a JF Minecraft shroom that I tried to frag that caught some kind of flesh eating disease after fragging. This shroom was so bad off it was turning white and its flesh was literally falling off before I started bath treatment in thread.
Doesn't work for everything but when it does work. Positive results are usually seen after first bath treatment as seen in thread. Definetely worth a try especially when nothing left to lose.
Great topic for thread.

Cipro treatment- Calling all Mushroom Guru's

Have a few questions and wanted some feedback on a cpl things before I began my Cipro treatment on a batch of Jawbreakers. I've read some good things on Cipro treatments for anemones as well as @Reefer1978 success with getting shrooms to re attach using Cipro treatment with success! Theres...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Paul B]

No, Never

 

[Ben Pedersen]

I tried to get some Ampicillin... but couldn't get it online.. nor could I get a vet to proscribe it for me. It worked in laboratory trials for RTN and STN in SPS. After 24 hours of treatment, RTN and STN completely stoped.

Quote From Literature:
100 µg ml−1 was used for all four antibiotics after preliminary laboratory trials on both bacteria and healthy corals. The antibiotics were added directly into tanks filled with 3 l of seawater collected from the original location of the corals. Repeat dosage was dissolved in 1.5 l of seawater every 12 h, and half the water in the experimental tanks was replaced with the new water. n = 6 corals were used per treatment (n = 2 per tank, three tanks)

time (h)	ND	WBD	amp	gent	met	para
0	0	0.9 ± 0.10	0.9 ± 0.10	0.8 ± 0.23	0.9 ± 0.20	0.9 ± 0.2
24	0	0.9 ± 0.07	0	0.6 ± 0.19	0.6 ± 0.19	0.7 ± 0.45
48	0	1.2 ± 0.08	0	0.8 ± 0.28	1.4 ± 0.3	0
72	0	1.5 ± 0.20	0	1.4 ± 0.53	1.8 ± 0.55 ++	0
96	0	3.4 ± 0.40 ++++	0	1.7 ± 0.7	2.3 ± 0.7	0
120	0	++	0	1.9 ± 0.8	1.9 ± 0.1 +++	0
144	0		0	1 ± 0.4	++	0
	++++++		++++++	++++++		++++++

Ampicillin belongs to the penicillin group of beta-lactam antibiotics, it is able to penetrate Gram-positive and some Gram-negative bacteria. It acts as a competitive inhibitor of the enzyme transpeptidase, which is needed by bacteria to make their cell walls. Inhibition of cell wall synthesis ultimately leads to cell lysis.

 

[Isolatedreefer]

Does anybody know where you can get reef tank antibiotics in Canada? Seems like all reef medications have been taken off of the market.

 

[ChiCity]

Can you explain more as to why and how you utilize this?

it is an effective method of eradicating bjd,
and other bacterial infections on zoas/softies too
i’ve come to find…

500mg tablet dissolved into 50ml of (rodi) water produces a 10mg/ml solution

0.125 mg / per liter is the dosage rate from that solution

can be dosed daily, or every couple of days
depending on severity
for a total medication time of 6-8 days,
directly in tank.

i’ve found no ill effects from this on a mixed reef.
only gains.

can also be used as baths too,
as in dipping frags in a bowl
and letting them sit for a couple of hours…

 

[Ben Pedersen]

I tried to get some Ampicillin... but couldn't get it online.. nor could I get a vet to proscribe it for me. It worked in laboratory trials for RTN and STN in SPS. After 24 hours of treatment, RTN and STN completely stoped.

Quote From Literature:
100 µg ml−1 was used for all four antibiotics after preliminary laboratory trials on both bacteria and healthy corals. The antibiotics were added directly into tanks filled with 3 l of seawater collected from the original location of the corals. Repeat dosage was dissolved in 1.5 l of seawater every 12 h, and half the water in the experimental tanks was replaced with the new water. n = 6 corals were used per treatment (n = 2 per tank, three tanks)

time (h)	ND	WBD	amp	gent	met	para
0	0	0.9 ± 0.10	0.9 ± 0.10	0.8 ± 0.23	0.9 ± 0.20	0.9 ± 0.2
24	0	0.9 ± 0.07	0	0.6 ± 0.19	0.6 ± 0.19	0.7 ± 0.45
48	0	1.2 ± 0.08	0	0.8 ± 0.28	1.4 ± 0.3	0
72	0	1.5 ± 0.20	0	1.4 ± 0.53	1.8 ± 0.55 ++	0
96	0	3.4 ± 0.40 ++++	0	1.7 ± 0.7	2.3 ± 0.7	0
120	0	++	0	1.9 ± 0.8	1.9 ± 0.1 +++	0
144	0		0	1 ± 0.4	++	0
	++++++		++++++	++++++		++++++

Ampicillin belongs to the penicillin group of beta-lactam antibiotics, it is able to penetrate Gram-positive and some Gram-negative bacteria. It acts as a competitive inhibitor of the enzyme transpeptidase, which is needed by bacteria to make their cell walls. Inhibition of cell wall synthesis ultimately leads to cell lysis.

Paromomycin Sulfate was the other affective antibiotic.. Not really practical to use it... It is very very expensive.. The others antibiotics tested were not affective.

 

[Isolatedreefer]

it is an effective method of eradicating bjd,
and other bacterial infections on zoas/softies too
i’ve come to find…

500mg tablet dissolved into 50ml of (rodi) water produces a 10mg/ml solution

0.125 mg / per liter is the dosage rate from that solution

can be dosed daily, or every couple of days
depending on severity
for a total medication time of 6-8 days,
directly in tank.

i’ve found no ill effects from this on a mixed reef.
only gains.

can also be used as baths too,
as in dipping frags in a bowl
and letting them sit for a couple of hours…

Where do you get cirpo tablets from?

 

[dbowman5]

I used to take penicillin on an as needed basis until i became allergic to it, i don't want to take the chance that the fish will start itching and having red ick spots, so no.

 

[NashobaTek]

Being a livestock ( 4 legged) breeder I would not use it for fish. Antibiotic resistance is a real thing.