Amoxicillin or other antibiotics to treat livestock: Are you doing it?

[Scott Ulrich]

Where do you get cirpo tablets from?

I was wondering the same. I know some countries you can get antibiotics over the counter, but in USA you need a prescription. So maybe from a vet?

 

[Dania]

Dbowman5 I'm sorry to hear that

 

[ReefRxSWFL]

In quarantine, copper power, unless using tank transfer, and API General Cure.

Otherwise only when needed. For example, i had a Yellow Eye Kole that got a mouth infection, that i treated in a hospital tank with kanamycin. It cleared up in about a week in the hospital tank.

I’ll do whatever i can to not treat in the DT. One exception is if i see stringy poop, which could be intestinal parasites, where id use Prazipro , metronidazole or General Cure depending on the size of the tank im treating. Using metronidazole in the food is a good option, because fish like to eat each others poop as well.

 

[Kershaw]

I was wondering the same. I know some countries you can get antibiotics over the counter, but in USA you need a prescription. So maybe from a vet?

Also would like to know this

 

[James_O]

1. Are you using Amoxicillin or other antibiotics to treat corals or other livestock?

No, I rarely use chemicals in my tank. Makes for a more natural ecosystem.

 

[NeonRabbit221B]

I have been losing corals to STN. Not 100% sure about the cause of the STN but I think I am fighting a bacterial issue at this point. Acans are showing skeleton and holed up, my trumpets have bailed out over a 2 month period and I am losing hope. Going to try Koral Recover but I just don't know the way to put the breaks on the sudden decline. Softies are doing fine, goni is doing great and birdsnest/montis are doing fine but I lose about a head a week on most of my LPS...

BJD seems pretty easy to identify but how about other bacterial infections? Where do you source Cipro?

 

[Steph72]

I was wondering the same. I know some countries you can get antibiotics over the counter, but in USA you need a prescription. So maybe from a vet?

Last time I ordered fish meds, including cipro, it was without a prescription. For dogs and cats they do require a vet to sign off. Chewy.com, Allivet and Petsupplies4less.com are a few that offer it. I can’t remember for sure but I think I ordered it from Chewy...it was last year.It’s expensive though. I paid over $35 for the bottle!

 

[Conrad Noto]

Recently @Randy Holmes-Farley shared a thread here about using Amoxicillin to treat wild coral disease and it got me thinking about how many of us are actually using antibiotics in our reef tanks. I have included the articles referenced by Randy as well as a couple of more discussions and articles here from R2R for you to look at. I would like to use the QOTD today to get your opinions and information about it!

1. Are you using Amoxicillin or other antibiotics to treat corals or other livestock?

2. What have you used and what were the results?

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease​

Protocol for using antibiotics to treat infected anemones​

Assessing the effectiveness of two intervention methods for stony coral tissue loss disease on Montastraea cavernosa​

A common antibiotic slows a mysterious coral disease​

image source from article here

I haven't used any in a few years, but did use some antibiotics to treat secondary infections from Marine Velvet Outbreak a few years back.

 

[Steph72]

I only use medication when an illness escalates and have only treated nems and fish. I use chemiclean in the display tank to knock out cyano but probably wouldn’t use a broad spectrum for fear of damaging the good bacteria.

 

[shakygator]

I recently used Cipro to treat Brown Jelly in my DT.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

I did the same to successfully stop a BJD infection on an orange wall hammer. I did not dose the DT though, I moved the hammer to a hospital tank for a week. I did dose chemiclean in the DT though as I was losing some mushrooms and had some cyano problems in the attached frag tank. Seemed to help stop the loss of the shroom colony that was dying. I only did a half dose too.

I've used Chemiclean on one of my tanks for Cyano. If you don't know, Chemiclean is erythromycin.

Are you sure? The box specifically says that it is not erythromycin.

Last time I ordered fish meds, including cipro, it was without a prescription. For dogs and cats they do require a vet to sign off. Chewy.com, Allivet and Petsupplies4less.com are a few that offer it. I can’t remember for sure but I think I ordered it from Chewy...it was last year.It’s expensive though. I paid over $35 for the bottle!

I got my cipro, amoxicillin and erythromycin from chewy without a prescription.

 

[Cdeg]

I was wondering the same. I know some countries you can get antibiotics over the counter, but in USA you need a prescription. So maybe from a vet?

Chewy has fish grade

antibioticshttps://www.chewy.com/fish-aid-antibiotics-ciprofloxacin/dp/185215?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=hg&utm_content=Fish%20Aid%20Antibiotics&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7pKFBhDUARIsAFUoMDaRLxXMxUwUzyxNYZKZXcfQgop7oLF2qG2WU6X3Z8YprI7l41vxJ_8aAoWBEALw_wcB

I've used cipro which seemed to knockout something spreading through my torches, but I bought one of each antibiotic they carry as a just in case event

 

[guysmiley]

I've used Chemiclean on one of my tanks for Cyano. If you don't know, Chemiclean is erythromycin.

ok so your saying if i had brown jelly disease hypothetically/ i could use Chemiclean as a treatment?

 

[Costareefer]

Chloramphenicol for euphyllias
Cipro for anemones

never in the display

 

[Hypnotoad]

I tried Cipro in my DT with some success. Currently have some sick corals in a little hospital tank with daily amoxicillin additions.

No tissue loss since transferring to the hospital tank, but I am concerned about putting them back into the DT, where I'm worried they'll get sick again

 

[davidcalgary29]

ok so your saying if i had brown jelly disease hypothetically/ i could use Chemiclean as a treatment?

I asked Jay Hemdal about therapeutic dosing levels of Chemiclean for non-prescribed purposes, and he said (in essence) that this hasn't been studied or is generally not recommended. You're on your own if you want to try this one out.

 

[davidcalgary29]

I did the same to successfully stop a BJD infection on an orange wall hammer. I did not dose the DT though, I moved the hammer to a hospital tank for a week. I did dose chemiclean in the DT though as I was losing some mushrooms and had some cyano problems in the attached frag tank. Seemed to help stop the loss of the shroom colony that was dying. I only did a half dose too.

Are you sure? The box specifically says that it is not erythromycin.

I got my cipro, amoxicillin and erythromycin from chewy without a prescription.

It says it does not contain erythromycin succinate -- but does notably not exclude other forms of erythromycin. And I don't even know if that's true or misdirection for regulators -- there's at least one thread around where a member contacted the manufacturers, and apparently they did confirm that the product did, indeed, contain erythromycin (of whatever form).

 

[shakygator]

It does not contain erythromycin succinate.

Yeah I'm not a chemist and I briefly googled it but I wasn't sure if succinate was a specific type of erythromycin. So "erythromycin succinate" and "erythromycin" are different?

Assuming so - do we know what exactly is in chemiclean? Does it differ from API E.M. Erythromycin?

 

[piranhaman00]

I recently used Cipro to treat Brown Jelly in my DT.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

Currently doing this as well. So far I have been dosing one 500 mg dissolved tablet version 50 gallons in my frag system daily for 8 days. started losing hammer heads here and there despite dipping and removing bad heads. Once it started hitting torches, I pulled the trigger on treatment.

I’m planning on a 14 day treatment for brown jelly as well as some anemones closing up. Tank has literally every kind of coral except NPS and no I’ll effects this far.

every reefer that keeps euphyllias
should always have cipro/ab’s on hand…

Where do you get the tablets?

 

[davidcalgary29]

Yeah I'm not a chemist and I briefly googled it but I wasn't sure if succinate was a specific type of erythromycin. So "erythromycin succinate" and "erythromycin" are different?

It's an answer known only to the manufacturers of Chemiclean. There are enough people here who have been curious enough about it to have undertaken their own investigations and the general consensus is that it does, in fact, have some type of erythromycin.

I'm thinking that the disclaimer on the packaging is for jurisdictions like Canada that have banned antibiotics for home aquarium husbandry.

 

[shakygator]

Where do you get the tablets?

chewy