Discussion in 'Fish Disease Treatment and Diagnosis' started by 4FordFamily, Apr 11, 2019.
Yeah, this is really bad. Here's to hoping it doesn't become more common.
is copper power safe up until 2.5? what is the max therapeautic range? i dont see an answer anywhere for this. i know cupramine is dangerous at .8 but i haven't seen an upper limit for dangerous with copper power.
I’d say north of 2.5 is dangerous and the lower the better. Cloudy water and copper poisoning symptoms are more likely the higher the concentration. Right now we are using 2.0-2.25 as the range with good luck.
For those of us who do 30 days of copper would you still recommend 2.0 - 2.25 PPM?
Yes. I have to assume that if 14 days of 1.75 didn't work, 30 days wouldn't either. If it didn't kill it in 14, why would 16 more days at an assumedly "no longer therapeutic level" work?
Perhaps it would, but this my own view.
yeah, i've been confused...some people do 30 days right? i haven't been understanding whether that's because its chelated or not.
The 30 day is for people who don’t have a second tank to do the Tank Transfer. I only have one tank so I do copper for 30 days. Just wanted to check on the levels since over 2.00 in the past was considered pushing it.
this is a valid assumption - but it goes against evidence...
i have 2.2 copper power in my tank....hopefully ok. i dont think tank transfer would be easy for me either.
Just went through this thread a bit. Didn’t I read before that you’ve never used copper, nor deal with delicate species? Seems kind of condescending/hypocritical for you to constantly try to correct people with much more experience.
Yes it would seem condescending if that were true - but - its not. I have used copper multiple times 20 years ago - and it would also seem condescending if I didnt have a graduate degree in microbiology. But - since I have used copper before - and since I ave a graduate degree - and since I can read scientific literature that some may not have access to - I think the anecdotal experience is perhaps not as worthwhile as its claimed to be - since you asked.
BTW. you must not have read that I have 2 yellow tangs and a purple tang in my tank now... I can take a picture if you will?
Im not going to go back and repeat what I've already said. if you feel the desire to do so go ahead. Not trying to be offensive - but - the recommendation from 2 sources (at minimum) is that 2 weeks is not enough. Its repeated multiple times in the literature - and I've quoted it. You have an agenda - keep touting it. Im done. There may be resistant velvet out there - but its far about 2.25 ppm - the rest is duration. Read back if you will.... Im tired of this discussion
That makes two of us.
But - you reignited the discussion lol..... You cant admit you might be wrong with your protocol. - and in fact you might be right. IDK - but - to automatically dismiss anyone who might question your god-like opinion - is at best intellectually dishonest - at worst - dishonest.
There is no evidence that you've presented that there is a velvet strain that survives 1.7ppm copper but dies at 2 ppm (I believe - unless you've changed it again) your target. Its just anecdote. There are at least a couple reports out there where velvet are resistant to 2.7 copper - so what is your recommendation based on - your protocol - its merely luck. and good luck you've had - until you lost a bunch of fish and couldn't explain it. Try google next time.
I’ve said I could be wrong literally since the first post.
The first post’s conclusion (footnote):
so.. i use the salifert color change tester.. I’m assuming it’s garbage. Obviously it’s not 2.0 on the salifert tester?
Sorry I am not understanding your query, sorry!
But I don’t really trust color charts, lots of human error, at least for me! Tough to read!
Oh my bad.. the color chart on the salifert goes to 1 I believe. But they say do not go over .08.. I’m
Pushing .08 slowly and hoping all works out..
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