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I am buying a couple fish from live aquaria and want to condition/treat them
I agree, pick up Paul B's book too, very good.....years ago I tried QT briefly and I lost more fish in my brief stint with QT. It's your tank, do what you think is best for you imo.I recommend you reed Paul B's thread on the other was to run a reef tank. It's a good read. I have been in the hobby since the 70s I do not OT.
I think the OP and others that say they "can't" QT, are actually saying they don't want to QT. That's my 2 cents, and my own opinion.Never understood how someone can say they can't quarantine. You can quarantine in a 5 gallon bucket. Heck, a 5 gallon tank doesn't take up much more space than a toaster oven. I quarantine small fish in 2 1/2 gallons of water in a 3 gallon plastic tote from Lowes. I do TTM ever night for 14 days, with a couple rounds of Prazi and h202. Two weeks, takes up less than two square feet, and done.
Or you can pay big bucks and buy pre quarantined fish. There are a handful of places.
You should still QT pre-QT’d fish for observation.But you gotta wait like 2 weeks to get the fish u want in the mail
This……….I think the OP and others that say they "can't" QT, are actually saying they don't want to QT. That's my 2 cents, and my own opinion.
buy quarantined fish from drreef, problem solved.What should I use to condition and treat fish BESIDES formalin and methalyne blue? What are the best options out there? I can not quarantine, dips and baths accepted as well.
paul b is a bad source of information. Horrible source actually.Opinions concerning QT are one thing, but do remember some folks are lucky to have one/an/a single aquarium at all
If you decide to try a method without prophylactic medication like Paul B's method, do read as much about it as you can. It's not "do nothing and hope it turns out okay."
What should I use to condition and treat fish BESIDES formalin and methalyne blue? What are the best options out there? I can not quarantine, dips and baths accepted as well.
That may be true, but there are now options to buy quarantined fish. Sure they cost more, but do you want to do this cheap, or do this right? We’re dealing with living animals here, not nba cards.Opinions concerning QT are one thing, but do remember some folks are lucky to have one/an/a single aquarium at all
If you decide to try a method without prophylactic medication like Paul B's method, do read as much about it as you can. It's not "do nothing and hope it turns out okay."
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this statement.paul b is a bad source of information. Horrible source actually.
You may not agree but you’re doing the complete opposite from what Paul preaches. UV sterilizers are the ultimate no no in his world.I wouldn't necessarily agree with this statement.
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Quarantining fish doesn't always work (99% or 99.9% still isn't 100%). And then when your tank is faced with a disease, everything suffers horribly because they have no natural immunity. You don't need more of an example than the real-world mass flu spree.
I don't quarantine my fish. I run a UV 24/7 at a "kill" (not sterilize) threshold, am very picky about what fish I introduce (reputable suppliers) and feed my fish well and often - with a variety of immune-boosting supplements.
This is what I do. It works for me (outbreak free in over a year despite the addition of 30+ wild-caught fish). This isn't something I necessarily recommend as there are inherent risks the same as you take with quarantine. YMMV.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this statement.
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Quarantining fish doesn't always work (99% or 99.9% still isn't 100%). And then when your tank is faced with a disease, everything suffers horribly because they have no natural immunity. You don't need more of an example than the real-world mass flu spree.
I don't quarantine my fish. I run a UV 24/7 at a "kill" (not sterilize) threshold, am very picky about what fish I introduce (reputable suppliers) and feed my fish well and often - with a variety of immune-boosting supplements.
This is what I do. It works for me (outbreak free in over a year despite the addition of 30+ wild-caught fish). This isn't something I necessarily recommend as there are inherent risks the same as you take with quarantine. YMMV.
But you gotta wait like 2 weeks to get the fish u want in the mail
I haven't read everything he's posted in-depth about his specific techniques (simply too many threads to delve into). You're probably correct in your assertion that he's closer to the extreme end of the "no quarantine" spectrum. I don't necessarily consider myself in no man's land - merely slightly off the beaten path.You may not agree but you’re doing the complete opposite from what Paul preaches. UV sterilizers are the ultimate no no in his world. Few people have spread more misinformation than him.
Do you believe the ocean id pathogen free? Fish have immunity . I have always introduced ick into every tank I have ever owned, the only fish I worry about is the new one coming in until; I can get them eating well and used to my high current flow.It has nothing to do with being cheap. It is a methodology with its own risks and rewards just like prophylactically medicating.
I don't like comparing fish with critters that aren't fish. The dog example comes up a lot, but it can be spun so many ways. Putting a new dog that appears to be in good health in a kennel and loading it with medication because something might be wrong with it sounds terrible. Folks wouldn't give a dog riddled with fleas good food and a nice yard and expect it to recover either. Fish are fish, and that does not diminish their value as a living animal at all.