Better system design

[jsanbor1]

Smells like a troll.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Moving goal post, Straw Men?

Measure outflow rate.

Maintenance of equipment and plumbing.

Your response makes no sense whatsoever. You have not addressed a single point made in response to your posts, and with each reply you are drifting further away from the actual questions and topic.

Smells like a troll.

The user’s posts often make very little sense outside of loose context alignment and misplaced but real facts mixed with non sequitur wandering. Technical phrases mixed in with broken connective language.

Maybe a troll, maybe an AI experiment, may take just somebody overstating their credentials and knowledge, paraphrasing AI and search results with no real understanding. That is my take and maybe explains why questions can’t be answered and responses deflect or restate. Looking at the post history, I see the same pattern. Maybe the OP can explain, maybe not.

 

[Dogeatbird]

Your response makes no sense whatsoever. You have not addressed a single point made in response to your posts, and with each reply you are drifting further away from the actual questions and topic.


The user’s posts often make very little sense outside of loose context alignment and misplaced but real facts mixed with non sequitur wandering. Technical phrases mixed in with broken connective language.

Maybe a troll, maybe an AI experiment, may take just somebody overstating their credentials and knowledge, paraphrasing AI and search results with no real understanding. That is my take and maybe explains why questions can’t be answered and responses deflect or restate. Looking at the post history, I see the same pattern. Maybe the OP can explain, maybe not.

I am the OP!


I have not been rude or disrespectful to your responses.

I have not dismissed your responses.

Have corrected misinformation:
Actuated valves typically do not contain springs.

Measurements of outflow is typically based on flow sensors which use ‘Hall effect’. Sensor.

I also have given my background, and am offering an alternative to gear some hobbyist use.

Also my experience in this hobby dates back to before, modern inclusions of technology.

I am not blatantly dismissive of your point of view.

Rather recognizing that for some system maintenance, plumbing design, marked up pricing for chemicals,

And correctly handling what may be a miss or poorly discussed topic.

 

[Dogeatbird]

Measurements of outflow in realtime utilizing a flow sensor.

Ball valve mechanically sets flow; actuator sends water. Depending on configuration regardless of pump type.

Chilled reactor allows for localized higher saturation of co2.

Ozone injection within a reactor maximizes contact time within the volume limit f the reactor. Before loss to off gassing within skimmer.

Or is that more regurgitated, AI rubage, ‘Fake news’

 

[BeanAnimal]

I am the OP!


I have not been rude or disrespectful to your responses.

I have not dismissed your responses.

Have corrected misinformation:
Actuated valves typically do not contain springs.

Measurements of outflow is typically based on flow sensors which use ‘Hall effect’. Sensor.

I also have given my background, and am offering an alternative to gear some hobbyist use.

Also my experience in this hobby dates back to before, modern inclusions of technology.

I am not blatantly dismissive of your point of view.

Rather recognizing that for some system maintenance, plumbing design, marked up pricing for chemicals,

And correctly handling what may be a miss or poorly discussed topic.

I don’t think anybody is confused about who the OP is.

You have still not provided any relevant answers, just more restating and wandering for the actual points made.

There is no misinformation. Actuated ball valves that go NC or NO on power failure can use springs, capacitive discharge or battery backup, etc. The mechanism has absolutely nothing to do with the point and pushback to your “better” method post.

Nobody is arguing how outflow is measured. You keep introducing new arguments that have nothing to do with prior responses. You contradicted your own argument anyway.

Marked up pricing for chemicals? What are you talking about and what does that have to do with this thread?

This is a “poorly discussed topic” because you won’t respond in context, answer questions or stay on topic. Your responses really don’t even make sense and are only tangentially contextual at best. Something is way off here and in other threads with similar patterns.

 

[Dogeatbird]

Two valves, two actuators; when actuators are set in opposition.

When power is supplied; one opens the other closes. This provides two distinct flow rates(depending on ball valve settting) with one pump.

If both actuators are wired to a common power source.


Chilled co2 reactor will hold more CO2 in solution, thus resisting a change in pH by the input by feed water.

To be frank: chilled calcium reactor are not used, because rarely is the hobbyist needing saturation of CO2 to dissolve media.

Ozone production requires an air drier. Why would you not recommend an extended contact time?

 

[BeanAnimal]

Measurements of outflow in realtime utilizing a flow sensor.

Ball valve mechanically sets flow; actuator sends water. Depending on configuration regardless of pump type.

Chilled reactor allows for localized higher saturation of co2.

Ozone injection within a reactor maximizes contact time within the volume limit f the reactor. Before loss to off gassing within skimmer.

Or is that more regurgitated, AI rubage, ‘Fake news’

The chilled reactor proposal was fully debunked as wholly unrealistic for any reasonable benefit. Even if it had merit, the delta T required creates far more problems than benefits.

What does measuring outflow of anything have to do with any of this?

An OPEN or CLOSED valve does not regulate variable effluent flow. It is on or off. Adding complexity with actuated valves and water paths to have two distinct flow rates offers no benefit to then UV operation. That was also fully debunked.

Ozone where? Are you talking about an ozone "reactor" before the skimmer? Ozone works at the air water interface. Injecting ozone into a closed chamber gains you very little unless the chamber has fine bubbles too, which is just a recirculating skimmer. Contact time with the skimmer bubbles does the work. Want it to be more efficient? Recirculating the skimmer air is already a thing too. Yes it requires a dryer.

Sorry, but nothing you have proposed here is "better" and most of it is arguably not reasonably implementable and restating it over and over doesn't defend or validate any of it. You have avoided every question and logical or understanding error presented.

 

[Dogeatbird]

Post the link for recirculating skimmer air.

Air from a skimmer is not recycled, because no skimmer is air tight, pressurized.

Ozone reactors before the skimmer do exist. Within a skimmer is not the only air-water interface.

As it minimizes ozone emissions, ozone which has been researched as a carcinogen.

Lastly, since BeanAnimal seems unwilling to attempt a civilized debate, please consider reading:

Aquatic Systems Engineering
P.R. Escobal