Bolus dosing

[IntrinsicReef]

Gasp - you mean using actual known and relatively simple science can explain what is being seen and it is not a complex system of magic invisible crystals, broken buffer systems, special magic bacteria stabilizing pH or any other of the fantastical claims that Claude Schumacher has imagined?

It's actually a pretty genius marketing strategy.
1-Take a product with decades of proven effectiveness and which all your competitors have a version of.
2- Add some instructions that don't add or subtract anything from the method's results.
3- Make miracle claims, give it a cool name, and say it only works with your product.
4- Profit. And when anyone disputes the claims, say "Look at the success people are having!"

 

[rtparty]

It's actually a pretty genius marketing strategy.
1-Take a product with decades of proven effectiveness and which all your competitors have a version of.
2- Add some instructions that don't add or subtract anything from the method's results.
3- Make miracle claims, give it a cool name, and say it only works with your product.
4- Profit. And when anyone disputes the claims, say "Look at the success people are having!"

You forgot number 5

5) Say your product increases alk more than it does so you can claim it "magically disappears"

Doug told me Fauna Marin has more than 200,000 ICP tests to prove this method.

I told him to come chat with us on R2R and prove Randy wrong. He went radio silent after that invitation. Talks a big game but sure can't walk one

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

You forgot number 5

5) Say your product increases alk more than it does so you can claim it "magically disappears"

Doug told me Fauna Marin has more than 200,000 ICP tests to prove this method.

I told him to come chat with us on R2R and prove Randy wrong. He went radio silent after that invitation. Talks a big game but sure can't walk one

Just curious, what would one use icp to show for bolus dosing?

 

[6272862829]

You forgot number 5

5) Say your product increases alk more than it does so you can claim it "magically disappears"

Doug told me Fauna Marin has more than 200,000 ICP tests to prove this method.

I told him to come chat with us on R2R and prove Randy wrong. He went radio silent after that invitation. Talks a big game but sure can't walk one

lol

 

[KStatefan]

Just curious, what would one use icp to show for bolus dosing?

Nothing but makes it sound like there is proof.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Just curious, what would one use icp to show for bolus dosing?

I think it was just Doug using the statistic to add validity to his claim that the BS that he and Claude come up with is backed by some kind of data.

They are two peas in a BS pod.

 

[Pod_01]

Doug told me Fauna Marin has more than 200,000 ICP tests to prove this method.

Interesting that from 200k ICP tests they can figure out who used BOLUS and how beneficial it was/is. Or I should rephrase, determine it was beneficial in all the cases.

They are chemist, biologist and now statistician expert. The list keeps on growing…

 

[BeanAnimal]

Interesting that from 200k ICP tests they can figure out who used BOLUS and how beneficial it was/is. Or I should rephrase, determine it was beneficial in all the cases.

They are chemist, biologist and now statistician expert. The list keeps on growing…

I think it was more in context of them being able to understand all of the “science” they spout better than “trained scientists” and not a comment directly about bolus dosing.

 

[Oldreefer44]

I am using ICP to compare FM traces to that of AFR. With AFR I was always at the low end or deficient in several of the traces brought up in the discussion. Will be interesting to see if the results will be any different using FM. products.

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

Just curious, what would one use icp to show for bolus dosing?

Do they test for magic yet, or is that just aquabiomics?

 

[Garf]

I am using ICP to compare FM traces to that of AFR. With AFR I was always at the low end or deficient in several of the traces brought up in the discussion. Will be interesting to see if the results will be any different using FM. products.

Are folks not adding twice as much trace into the Alk though due to the strange Alkalinity calculations and using twice as much alk solution than anticipated. This obviously doesn't apply if you are using a normal calculator, if I've got it straight in my head.

 

[Oldreefer44]

Are folks not adding twice as much trace into the Alk though due to the strange Alkalinity calculations and using twice as much alk solution than anticipated. This obviously doesn't apply if you are using a normal calculator, if I've got it straight in my head.

I'm not. I will be sending out an ICP in a few days. Curious to see how it compares to pre-bolus numbers.

 

[rtparty]

Just curious, what would one use icp to show for bolus dosing?

No clue. Doug won’t reply to me or come here to discuss things. Here is the back and forth on YT

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

lol, yes, icp proves bolus dosing solves low pH issues.

 

[BeanAnimal]

No clue. Doug won’t reply to me or come here to discuss things. Here is the back and forth on YT

I am sure both and and Claude keep very good tabs on this and other threads. I think these threads are fueling their BS as they try to stay ahead and sound "smarter" so as not to lose those that they have duped into believing their BS.

Doug will not come here to debate, for he would be outright exposed as being full of crap, the same with Claude.

What I can't tell is where Claude's hubris ends and the snake oil begins. I am rather sure that he actually believes in his own super powers as much as he knows he is making stuff up as he goes, be it for ego or money... who knows?

Doug - I have not dug too deep on, nor do I care if his BS is simply because he believes in Claude's superpowers or if he is cut from the same cloth and would have been at home selling magic oil in a traveling road show. The, I don't have degree in science but am smarter than all of them and could be if I wanted to be crack was enough for me.

Both rather unpleasant and forward takes, but all tolled I think both of them are doing a grave disservice to the science of the hobby regardless of how nice their grow out tanks are.

 

[Dibi]

Hi Doug, we know that you’re here, why not starting to reply? Really, I am truly curious about your answers

 

[DCR]

Hi Doug, we know that you’re here, why not starting to reply? Really, I am truly curious about your answers

I don't know why anyone would do that with all the personal and ad hominem attacks on this site. It is becoming more and more like Reef Central all the time.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I don't know why anyone would do that with all the personal and ad hominem attacks on this site. It is becoming more and more like Reef Central all the time.

FWIW, personal attacks are against the TOS and if you see such attacks, reporting the post is appropriate.

 

[areefer01]

While I think it somewhat unlikely that corals like a sudden burst in alk at the start of the day, I certainly cannot prove they do not prefer it without folks testing that hypothesis, and such tests seem very hard to find.

A good summary.

The one thing that I find rather interesting though is that they use this method at both of their coral farms. The lad in the UK (Doug?) and Fauna Marin (Claude?). I would guess that it is doing something if they are staying afloat with coral sales.

Not pushing, supporting, advocating, or otherwise peddling of wares.

 

[rtparty]

I don't know why anyone would do that with all the personal and ad hominem attacks on this site. It is becoming more and more like Reef Central all the time.

What personal attacks?