Bolus dosing

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

A good summary.

The one thing that I find rather interesting though is that they use this method at both of their coral farms. The lad in the UK (Doug?) and Fauna Marin (Claude?). I would guess that it is doing something if they are staying afloat with coral sales.

Not pushing, supporting, advocating, or otherwise peddling of wares.

If it works (i.e., grows corals) exactly like any other type of dosing, then it might be suitable for any situation, including a coral farm.

Every farm has their preferred method, some of which are diametrically opposed. Are Meckley and whoever from FM has a coral farm both right? One doses all the kalkwasser they can, the other says kalkwasser is bad. Both run farms.

 

[areefer01]

If it works (i.e., grows corals) exactly like any other type of dosing, then it might be suitable for any situation, including a coral farm.

Every farm has their preferred method, some of which are diametrically opposed. Are Meckley and whoever from FM has a coral farm both right? One doses all the kalkwasser they can, the other says kalkwasser bad. Both run farms.

True and good point!

Hope your day is well.

 

[IntrinsicReef]

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[IntrinsicReef]

A good summary.

The one thing that I find rather interesting though is that they use this method at both of their coral farms. The lad in the UK (Doug?) and Fauna Marin (Claude?). I would guess that it is doing something if they are staying afloat with coral sales.

Not pushing, supporting, advocating, or otherwise peddling of wares.

Again, the underlying dosing program is FM Balling Lite. The hobby knows the Balling method works. It has worked for countless reefers for decades. The Bolus method is administering the alk portion of the Balling method all at once in the am, then turning on the lights full blast. This technique purportedly causes "special" chemical reactions that are more desirable. That is what is being discussed here. Not whether you can run a coral farm on Balling lite

 

[areefer01]

Again, the underlying dosing program is FM Balling Lite. The hobby knows the Balling method works. It has worked for countless reefers for decades. The Bolus method is administering the alk portion of the Balling method all at once in the am, then turning on the lights full blast. This technique purportedly causes "special" chemical reactions that are more desirable. That is what is being discussed here. Not whether you can run a coral farm on Balling lite

I am aware. Thank you.

 

[BeanAnimal]

A good summary.

The one thing that I find rather interesting though is that they use this method at both of their coral farms. The lad in the UK (Doug?) and Fauna Marin (Claude?). I would guess that it is doing something if they are staying afloat with coral sales.

Not pushing, supporting, advocating, or otherwise peddling of wares.

1 - who knows what they are really doing. Yakking on social media to sell products and promote cult of personality and what they do in reality may not be the same.

2 - I don't think anybody is trying to say that this type of dosing does not work... we ALL (those not using a reactor) did it prior to mass and affordable availability of dosing pumps.

 

[Oldreefer44]

Again, the underlying dosing program is FM Balling Lite. The hobby knows the Balling method works. It has worked for countless reefers for decades. The Bolus method is administering the alk portion of the Balling method all at once in the am, then turning on the lights full blast. This technique purportedly causes "special" chemical reactions that are more desirable. That is what is being discussed here. Not whether you can run a coral farm on Balling lite

I can attest to it working and am inclined to think that it is largely the change in lighting intensity more than any kind of "magic". I will stick with it because it is inexpensive, easy and effective.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I can attest to it working and am inclined to think that it is largely the change in lighting intensity more than any kind of "magic". I will stick with it because it is inexpensive, easy and effective.

It has always "worked" ;)

It is how anybody without a reactor dosed for decades...

Many of us went to dosing pumps simply to avoid having to manually dump cups full of stuff into the tank every day or few days. The downside was precipitate more than anything else.

 

[Borat]

Again, the underlying dosing program is FM Balling Lite. The hobby knows the Balling method works. It has worked for countless reefers for decades. The Bolus method is administering the alk portion of the Balling method all at once in the am, then turning on the lights full blast. This technique purportedly causes "special" chemical reactions that are more desirable. That is what is being discussed here. Not whether you can run a coral farm on Balling lite

You forgot to mention that those reactions are organic and pro-biotic etc..

 

[IntrinsicReef]

I can attest to it working and am inclined to think that it is largely the change in lighting intensity more than any kind of "magic". I will stick with it because it is inexpensive, easy and effective.

Increased intensity of white lighting may be helping people. Sanjay is a proponent of running his lights at 100% and has an amazing reef. I have personally seen corals with STN regrow tissue after increasing light intensity.

 

[IntrinsicReef]

I am aware. Thank you.

Sorry for the lecture then. The conflation of the two methods bothers me. Just trying to differentiate the two.

 

[Oldreefer44]

Increased intensity of white lighting may be helping people. Sanjay is a proponent of running his lights at 100% and has an amazing reef. I have personally seen corals with STN regrow tissue after increasing light intensity.

Yup, I am just surprised that I could increase the intensity by 50% over the program that is recommended for SPS without any negative reaction. I am tempted to increase it further but am going to wait for a while and see how it goes.

 

[areefer01]

Sorry for the lecture then. The conflation of the two methods bothers me. Just trying to differentiate the two.

I didn't take it as a lecture at all - we're good. It also could be that I didn't phrase the question or comment correctly. It really was just a matter of me saying but hey, they have coral farms and "maybe" using the method - their lively hood rests on its success or failure. I know that doesn't translate to hobbyist success and didn't mean to imply that. I honestly just find the topic interesting as we, the hobbyist, discuss and take nothing personal.

Hope your day is well.

 

[IntrinsicReef]

I didn't take it as a lecture at all - we're good. It also could be that I didn't phrase the question or comment correctly. It really was just a matter of me saying but hey, they have coral farms and "maybe" using the method - their lively hood rests on its success or failure. I know that doesn't translate to hobbyist success and didn't mean to imply that. I honestly just find the topic interesting as we, the hobbyist, discuss and take nothing personal.

Hope your day is well.

Yes, operating a coral farm and ICP lab puts them in a pretty unique position. I thought maybe they would use their information to formulate different minor and trace element recipes for different style tanks( sps, LPS, softie, Refugium, carbon dosing etc.) It was strange to me they went with the "add a 2dkh dose of our alk and it only raises the tank alk by .4 strategy."

 

[Dibi]

I don't know why anyone would do that with all the personal and ad hominem attacks on this site. It is becoming more and more like Reef Central all the time.

Where this is a personal atack, i am GENUINELY curious about it. I want to debate, thinking about the arguments, facts, ideas. I simply inviting him to debate. Omg we can’t say anything these days lol

 

[BeanAnimal]

Yes, operating a coral farm and ICP lab puts them in a pretty unique position.

They can have 10 million ICP tests, they don’t mean anything without a means to analyze the data and correlate it to something.

Those 200,000 ICP tests don’t have accompanying coral health, fish health, system health, system size or stocking level, dosing history, system age, water to substrate or rock ratios, etc data points to go with them.

Doug citing nonsense like that to convince us of his scientific prowess or prove Claude’s BS claims is just more smoke and mirrors.

 

[IntrinsicReef]

They can have 10 million ICP tests, they don’t mean anything without a means to analyze the data and correlate it to something.

Those 200,000 ICP tests don’t have accompanying coral health, fish health, system health, system size or stocking level, dosing history, system age, water to substrate or rock ratios, etc data points to go with them.

Doug citing nonsense like that to convince us of his scientific prowess or prove Claude’s BS claims is just more smoke and mirrors.

I meant they can test their own systems where they can potentially record all those data points.

 

[DCR]

Where this is a personal atack, i am GENUINELY curious about it. I want to debate, thinking about the arguments, facts, ideas. I simply inviting him to debate. Omg we can’t say anything these days lol

The thread was already closed once for being uncivilized. The last 5-6 pages are filled with snide, belittling comments to the proponents of this method. Denigrating Paletta and calling people's ideas BS and crap is not going to invite any kind of open conversation. It is intended to shut it down. It is unfortunate, because I really appreciate the honest discussion and reading about the experiences of those that have with the method.

 

[BeanAnimal]

The last 5-6 pages are filled with snide, belittling comments to the proponents of this method. …calling people's ideas BS and crap is not going to invite any kind of open conversation.

When concepts are presented as scientific facts but consistently lack credible evidence AND contradict established chemical and biological principles, it’s fair to call them out. When the already dubious claims are systematically built into even more complex claims and refuting evidence is outright ignored, it is fair to call those peddling such claims out.

What terminology would you suggest for scientifically discredited claims that are framed as facts?

Would a term like ‘pseudo-science’ or ‘junk science’ disturb you less?

What terminology would you suggest for people who repeatedly attempt to pass discredited ‘ideas’ off as ‘science’, especially those doing so for financial gain?

The last thing they want is an open conversation. They rely on captive audiences avoiding real scrutiny. Nonetheless, if one has facts and science on their side, it doesn’t matter how hostile the audience or pundits are.

 

[Borat]

I would like to see if anyone tried to add the whole container of alk to the tank at once... like once a month dosing kind of bolus method.