Current Quarantine Protocol

Hey @Jay Hemdal I have a clown that hasn't eaten in 4 to 5 days, she attempts to eat but spits it out and ive tried multiple different food. Ibe noticed the top of her eye is now pinched which I assume is malnutrition. A few days ago I noticed white stringy poop that was hanging on her behind. The surface of his body seems fine no bumps not spots no marks. And lastly hes fairly active haven't seen signed of her struggling to swim.

Ive move her to a small 5 gallon tank with some live rocks and all needed equipment and dosed one spoon of metroplex in the water. Is this the right course of action? We do not have generak cure where I am.

Should this be the right treatment how soon would u reckon till she starts eating again.
 
Hey @Jay Hemdal I have a clown that hasn't eaten in 4 to 5 days, she attempts to eat but spits it out and ive tried multiple different food. Ibe noticed the top of her eye is now pinched which I assume is malnutrition. A few days ago I noticed white stringy poop that was hanging on her behind. The surface of his body seems fine no bumps not spots no marks. And lastly hes fairly active haven't seen signed of her struggling to swim.

Ive move her to a small 5 gallon tank with some live rocks and all needed equipment and dosed one spoon of metroplex in the water. Is this the right course of action? We do not have generak cure where I am.

Should this be the right treatment how soon would u reckon till she starts eating again.

Metroplex treats internal flagellate protozoans and that is one cause for not eating/stringy feces. However, another cause is something called coccidia, and there is no treatment for that.
 
Metroplex treats internal flagellate protozoans and that is one cause for not eating/stringy feces. However, another cause is something called coccidia, and there is no treatment for that.
Are internal flagellate protozoans lethal? Or could fish come back from it with or without treatment?
 
Hey @Jay Hemdal I have a clown that hasn't eaten in 4 to 5 days, she attempts to eat but spits it out and ive tried multiple different food. Ibe noticed the top of her eye is now pinched which I assume is malnutrition. A few days ago I noticed white stringy poop that was hanging on her behind. The surface of his body seems fine no bumps not spots no marks. And lastly hes fairly active haven't seen signed of her struggling to swim.

Ive move her to a small 5 gallon tank with some live rocks and all needed equipment and dosed one spoon of metroplex in the water. Is this the right course of action? We do not have generak cure where I am.

Should this be the right treatment how soon would u reckon till she starts eating again.

Have you seen any tank aggression from other tank mates?

And remember just because you have not see it, does not mean it’s not happening.

How is the body looking? Thinning out? Post pictures under bright white lights, or a video can be posted to YT then linked here. YT allows for 4k video so we can see better details.
 
Are internal flagellate protozoans lethal? Or could fish come back from it with or without treatment?

They are normal gut residents, but when they get out of control, they can cause disease. Sometimes, just adding more roughage to the diet will move enough of them out of the gut, other times, you need to dose metronidazole.
 
Have you seen any tank aggression from other tank mates?

And remember just because you have not see it, does not mean it’s not happening.

How is the body looking? Thinning out? Post pictures under bright white lights, or a video can be posted to YT then linked here. YT allows for 4k video so we can see better details.
No aggression that ive seen.

So hes spent about 14 hours in metroplex
This is what he looks like with a huge stringy poop is this a good sign? He's not as active anymore
 
Have you seen any tank aggression from other tank mates?

And remember just because you have not see it, does not mean it’s not happening.

How is the body looking? Thinning out? Post pictures under bright white lights, or a video can be posted to YT then linked here. YT allows for 4k video so we can see better details.
One more thing to add, theres a second clown with him who eats and seems OK but definitely had a bit of white stringy poop, clearly not as infected as the other one is there a risk of him getting worse because of the other fish?

@Jay Hemdal @winxp_man
 
One more thing to add, theres a second clown with him who eats and seems OK but definitely had a bit of white stringy poop, clearly not as infected as the other one is there a risk of him getting worse because of the other fish?

@Jay Hemdal @winxp_man

The lethargy isn't a good sign.

It takes multiple doses of metro to clear flagellate infections, at least three doses, 48 hours apart, with water changes as needed.

Remember though, this could be a coccidia infection and metro won't help with that (nothing does).

If you had a microscope, you could view a fecal sample and tell pretty easily if this is a flagellate or not.
 
The lethargy isn't a good sign.

It takes multiple doses of metro to clear flagellate infections, at least three doses, 48 hours apart, with water changes as needed.

Remember though, this could be a coccidia infection and metro won't help with that (nothing does).

If you had a microscope, you could view a fecal sample and tell pretty easily if this is a flagellate or not.
My kid has a plastic microscope that claims to zoom in 600x will that do?

Isn't the extra secretion probably a sign of the medicine working?
 
My kid has a plastic microscope that claims to zoom in 600x will that do?

Isn't the extra secretion probably a sign of the medicine working?

It might work, but a lot of those are junk. Try to look at a fresh fecal sample under around 120x power. Look for anything swimming/vibrating around. Flagellates will have a flagella, but you likely won't see that with a cheap scope. The motion it makes, might be seen though.

Coccidia cysts are tiny and don't move, so you won't see them.
 
It might work, but a lot of those are junk. Try to look at a fresh fecal sample under around 120x power. Look for anything swimming/vibrating around. Flagellates will have a flagella, but you likely won't see that with a cheap scope. The motion it makes, might be seen though.

Coccidia cysts are tiny and don't move, so you won't see them.
Does this say anything?
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Sorry - no. Do you see any movement?
However Jay the fact that the vlown hasn't eaten or pooped in a few days. Would all these long stringy poop indicate the medication is working? Im assuming its excreting whatever parasite he has
 
However Jay the fact that the vlown hasn't eaten or pooped in a few days. Would all these long stringy poop indicate the medication is working? Im assuming its excreting whatever parasite he has

That's what I'm thinking, but it could also just be that the issue is getting worse.....
 
That's what I'm thinking, but it could also just be that the issue is getting worse.....
Its never straightforward in thos hobby is it :(

He's 24 hours into qt now still pooping white strings thiugh a bit less, seems very tired and lazy and not eating. Dont know if I should be optimistic or not

Chat gpt which I take with a pinch of salt indicated the medicine maybe working and because hes worked hard on excreting the parasite hes probably exhausted. I do hope that's the case but I definitely do not take what AI says at face value and trust people here way more
 
Sadly if the fish is not eating it will end up dying. The trick of the game is to get it to eat. Irrelevant of what the internal issues are. What I have seen over the past two years, are clowns that don’t eat because of parasites, stress, or internal organ damage. Without a good microscope and knowledge what to look for (not saying you’re not a smart person, but having an idea what to look for and at what zoom is a factor in translating the data you’re looking at) you will miss what the issue can possibly be.

What I’m getting at with the trick being to get the fish to eat, it’s how it will continue to live, yes I know I’m pointing out the obvious haha (call me captain obvious! Haha!) , but hang in there with me. So if the fish starts eating it will have strength keep fighting. Also the immunity might build back up to fight off the internal issues. Then transition to feeding some meds by 1% of body weight if you can make this happen. Last resort that I have done is force feed with real tiny feeder tubes. Some fish are too small for these to. This is real tricky though being you have to make the judgment call on if the fish is large enough. There are small needle silicone (I think) based tubes. Then amount of food and meds to put in the fish is another trick.

Internal organ damage can happen from many things, one is hitting objects in the tank or glass from being started. Aggression fights, had a black ocelaris that didn’t even show signs of any external damage until I looked at her face closely and saw the hit to her nose. She was being chased and hit the glass I would presume. Ended up just like your fish unfortunately, and I hand to put her down. She ended up pooping the same and exterior showed nothing else to be an issue. I do have a microscope and have the knowledge what to look for in regard to internal issues. The feces was cleared of anything.

Aggression stress, I have seen this sometimes without much external damage, but the presence of another fish, maybe bigger, set off a major stress factor for a smaller fish, and slowly the smaller withered away into hiding and not eating. This was a black cap basslet. I had to remove the fish, and live it some times to gain courage I would say. It’s already a shy fish that you have to keep a close eye on, and what tank mates you put in, if hiding spots are not abundant. About a week ago the black cap started eating again and doing well. This started with it when I introduced a 4” powder blue hybrid. The tangs energy was too much for him and he basically shut down. It was crazy to see! And mind you the tank is a 150. But during feeding time tangs can go nuts after food. Then there is the physical attacks on fish that can take place and one fish will damage the other internal even from head bunting it, and other things of this nature. This can also cause internal organ damage similar to just hitting objects in a tank. But this one’s visible. And can be caught early on most of the time before aggression really does damage. The signs of bit marks, fins nipped and so on.


Sorry for the long write up, but having dealt with a few non eating clowns, some made it some didn’t. My last success story is a maroon that did this, life brine shrimp got her going after food, then black worms got her in pace to eat normally after about 2 months of back and forth.
 
Sadly if the fish is not eating it will end up dying. The trick of the game is to get it to eat. Irrelevant of what the internal issues are. What I have seen over the past two years, are clowns that don’t eat because of parasites, stress, or internal organ damage. Without a good microscope and knowledge what to look for (not saying you’re not a smart person, but having an idea what to look for and at what zoom is a factor in translating the data you’re looking at) you will miss what the issue can possibly be.

What I’m getting at with the trick being to get the fish to eat, it’s how it will continue to live, yes I know I’m pointing out the obvious haha (call me captain obvious! Haha!) , but hang in there with me. So if the fish starts eating it will have strength keep fighting. Also the immunity might build back up to fight off the internal issues. Then transition to feeding some meds by 1% of body weight if you can make this happen. Last resort that I have done is force feed with real tiny feeder tubes. Some fish are too small for these to. This is real tricky though being you have to make the judgment call on if the fish is large enough. There are small needle silicone (I think) based tubes. Then amount of food and meds to put in the fish is another trick.

Internal organ damage can happen from many things, one is hitting objects in the tank or glass from being started. Aggression fights, had a black ocelaris that didn’t even show signs of any external damage until I looked at her face closely and saw the hit to her nose. She was being chased and hit the glass I would presume. Ended up just like your fish unfortunately, and I hand to put her down. She ended up pooping the same and exterior showed nothing else to be an issue. I do have a microscope and have the knowledge what to look for in regard to internal issues. The feces was cleared of anything.

Aggression stress, I have seen this sometimes without much external damage, but the presence of another fish, maybe bigger, set off a major stress factor for a smaller fish, and slowly the smaller withered away into hiding and not eating. This was a black cap basslet. I had to remove the fish, and live it some times to gain courage I would say. It’s already a shy fish that you have to keep a close eye on, and what tank mates you put in, if hiding spots are not abundant. About a week ago the black cap started eating again and doing well. This started with it when I introduced a 4” powder blue hybrid. The tangs energy was too much for him and he basically shut down. It was crazy to see! And mind you the tank is a 150. But during feeding time tangs can go nuts after food. Then there is the physical attacks on fish that can take place and one fish will damage the other internal even from head bunting it, and other things of this nature. This can also cause internal organ damage similar to just hitting objects in a tank. But this one’s visible. And can be caught early on most of the time before aggression really does damage. The signs of bit marks, fins nipped and so on.


Sorry for the long write up, but having dealt with a few non eating clowns, some made it some didn’t. My last success story is a maroon that did this, life brine shrimp got her going after food, then black worms got her in pace to eat normally after about 2 months of back and forth.
That was insightful thank you. I keep a close eye on the tank quite a bit and never noticed any aggression. He has been pooping white strings non stop for the last 12 hours! Im gonna try and remain optimistic that this is the meds clearing the internal parasites and do round 2 tomorrow and continue trying to feed. I have live BBS but I think its too small to lure an adult female clown. Will keep in trying and hope for the best
 
Its never straightforward in thos hobby is it :(

He's 24 hours into qt now still pooping white strings thiugh a bit less, seems very tired and lazy and not eating. Dont know if I should be optimistic or not

Chat gpt which I take with a pinch of salt indicated the medicine maybe working and because hes worked hard on excreting the parasite hes probably exhausted. I do hope that's the case but I definitely do not take what AI says at face value and trust people here way more

The not eating is a big negative symptom…there just really isn’t a way to get a fish to start feeding when it goes off food like that except for it to heal and start back up on its own.
 

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