Cyano or Dino help

[PoseidonsReef]

What post is that lol

The one I quoted…you probably won’t understand why it is funny to me, however your advice is ok. I don’t believe adding bacteria is necessary, but you general thought is correct; nutrient are available and abundant hence the need to lower.

Oh think i get it , im 100% amature to this but i talk like im experienced, A.I might be the best tool ever introduced to new reefers lol. Its gotten me this far on my own and will likely get me through most of the of the other issues i dont know about and still have yet to face

I learn fast through hands on experience though its an A.D.D thing LOL

 

[kev528lips]

Reason I thought my nutrient may have been an issue is because my nitrate was zero or close to zero for a while. My understanding is that dinos flourish in nutrient free water.

Not knowing for sure if dinos are part of the problem I'm trying to face that most being they are the most destructive.

 

[CHSUB]

I see no issue using pnsb its a natural product and is not much different then adding microbacter 7 aside from pnsb will eat up fish waste and food waste which add to your increased nutrients

Maybe, maybe not….i don’t believe adding bacteria is ever necessary. Keeping an aquarium clean is job one for the reefer, biology will do the rest.

 

[CHSUB]

Reason I thought my nutrient may have been an issue is because my nitrate was zero or close to zero for a while. My understanding is that dinos flourish in nutrient free water.

Not knowing for sure if dinos are part of the problem I'm trying to face that most being they are the most destructive.

Yes some in the hobby believe that; myself, science, and reality don’t. Imo, your aquarium needs a good blow with a turkey baster, scrub of the rock, rack of the gravel, cleaning of all filters; all done during a WC. However, this is not a one and done it’s weekly until corals take up all the real estate and algae has nowhere to grow. Then you can start thinking about nutrients.

 

[PoseidonsReef]

I see no issue using pnsb its a natural product and is not much different then adding microbacter 7 aside from pnsb will eat up fish waste and food waste which add to your increased nutrients

Maybe, maybe not….i don’t believe adding bacteria is ever necessary. Keeping an aquarium clean is job one for the reefer, biology will do the rest.

So how do you cycle without bacteria lol?
I do agree routine maintenance is essential but using only natural methods take significantly longerband in most cases will cuase other problems to arise , my goal is maintain a clean and reef safe environment while reducing maintenance and chances of other unknown issues. The "chemicals" i use are 100% naturally sourced in high concentrations. Some may disagree but everyone has a method that works for them. Was the same when i was into horticulture

 

[mcarroll]

Thought about getting a 30$ microscope but idk if I will still just be confused as to what I'm dealing with.

My guess is that your tank is just getting started going through The Uglies, where all the various populations of microbes start blooming.

If you want to rule out dino's, a microscope is the best way – and even a $12 toy microscope can do it, literally nothing fancy is required. You will enjoy using a $50+ microscope a lot more though...if you think you'll use it more than once. This way you know more about what you *do have* growing.

But even without a microscope, you can take a sample out of your tank, shake the algae to smithereens, then leave the sample under your lights for a while and see if any of the bits gather back into any kind of mass or grouping. Only dino's will do that. Cyano and diatoms will not. This way, at least you can know what you *don't* have growing.

 

[CHSUB]

So how do you cycle without bacteria lol?

I do agree routine maintenance is essential but using only natural methods take significantly longerband in most cases will cuase other problems to arise , my goal is maintain a clean and reef safe environment while reducing maintenance and chances of other unknown issues. The "chemicals" i use are 100% naturally sourced in high concentrations. Some may disagree but everyone has a method that works for them. Was the same when i was into horticulture

Bacteria is basically ubiquitous, a finger sized live rock is all that is needed to start any aquarium.

Your can do all the research you want and maybe do quite well, however learning from experience is also very valuable.

 

[PoseidonsReef]

So how do you cycle without bacteria lol?

I do agree routine maintenance is essential but using only natural methods take significantly longerband in most cases will cuase other problems to arise , my goal is maintain a clean and reef safe environment while reducing maintenance and chances of other unknown issues. The "chemicals" i use are 100% naturally sourced in high concentrations. Some may disagree but everyone has a method that works for them. Was the same when i was into horticulture

Bacteria is basically ubiquitous, a finger sized live rock is all that is needed to start any aquarium.

Your can do all the research you want and maybe do quite well, however learning from experience is also very valuable.

I agree with experience and thats why im on this app , alot of amatures like me looking for advice but a few experienced reefers have given me advice , i always back up everything im told with gemini, some people are just jerks and want to crash your tank so its nothing against them just better to back check now rather than pay the price later

 

[kev528lips]

Thank you all. I appreciate the idea in place of a microscope.

I keep my tank pretty clean. And I agree that mechanical removal is part of the solution I wouldn't agree it's the only element.

The pic of the clove poly with a a brown string on it was cleared off yesterday. May need to change my flow some cause it seems to irritate them a bit. But besides that everything is healthy fish and corals.

Im not looking for a quick easy solution and don't wanna use chemicals. But I would prefer not to have to add stress to the tank by dismantling rock ect.... If I need to do that I will. But I'd like to focus on the batteries and water chemistry first.

 

[CHSUB]

Thank you all. I appreciate the idea in place of a microscope.

I keep my tank pretty clean. And I agree that mechanical removal is part of the solution I wouldn't agree it's the only element.

The pic of the clove poly with a a brown string on it was cleared off yesterday. May need to change my flow some cause it seems to irritate them a bit. But besides that everything is healthy fish and corals.

Im not looking for a quick easy solution and don't wanna use chemicals. But I would prefer not to have to add stress to the tank by dismantling rock ect.... If I need to do that I will. But I'd like to focus on the batteries and water chemistry first.

I agree your tank look fairly clean, however in the picture here this appears to be cyano which is easiest to control with manual removal and blowing …also for 1 year, not much for corals which again makes controlling algae difficult because of all the available real estate.