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I had a crash a few weeks ago and have been trying it cover ever since. I’ve made many posts about it here but am typically met with silence. t this point I’ll just say that I think I have dinos and I think they’re something unusual.

They’re smaller than expected. The shape is different. But they seem to be toxic as hell assuming that’s what’s killing things (a big assumption). Aside from a single instance in which I got some kind of brown, foamy stuff that was dinoesque, about the most I see is a brown coating in rocks and sand occasionally.no stringy snot. The brown coating will generate bubbles sometimes.

I used some strip tests from Amazon and they matched with what my higher quality drop tests showed. The strip tests also show no presence of iron or copper, and everything tests good to ideal.

Today I bought a hermit and a snail. I began drop acclimation and almost immediately the hermit crab started panicking and the snail started shriveling. Half an hour after going into the tank it was dead. The hermit seems ok for now.

Meanwhile, an urchin and another snail survive in the tank by hanging out as close to the waterline as possible. My fish are OK, but so far every invert other than the ones listed has died. Starfish, snails, hermits, conchs.

I am trying to raise my silicates. I’ve been dosing a drop of 41% waterglass every single day (watching ph, which is stable). My nitrate is now up to from feeding and turning off skimmer, but I bought ammonium and sodium phosphate to start dosing using Randy’s recommendations. no visible changes after a week.

If this doesn’t work, I’m going to nuke the tank—remove the sand, add a snail to test, and it that doesn’t work remove a rock and try again. If necessary I’ll bleach the rocks. I’ll bleach the whole dang tank. Maybe I can inject UV into the animals…🤔

I can direct people to the posts covering the extensive, book length details about everything I have tried and the complex series of events that precipitated the crash. All I know now is that I have a microscope video of some critters that no one seems able to identify as dinos. So either I have one of the other 2000 species than the four commonly found in tanks, or people just can’t tell from my videos. I’ll also note that I’ve been dealing with wise chronic health issues than normal including burning eyes, so maybe it’s dino toxins. My cats are acting odd too.

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I fought Dino’s to , buying live rock can really help. I think introducing a ton of organisms that compete with Dino’s for food/space is the way to go other than nuking or restart, buy macro algae , ensure elevated nutrients with N / P, get some live rock rubble , dose pods / phyto , keep light a bit lower. Macro algae would help the inverts with something to eat that isn’t toxic as well.

Leave the skimmer on for oxygenation , maybe add more flow as well to help , Dino’s can take up a lot of it
 
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I fought Dino’s to , buying live rock can really help. I think introducing a ton of organisms that compete with Dino’s for food/space is the way to go other than nuking or restart, buy macro algae , ensure elevated nutrients with N / P, get some live rock rubble , dose pods / phyto , keep light a bit lower. Macro algae would help the inverts with something to eat that isn’t toxic as well.

Leave the skimmer on for oxygenation , maybe add more flow as well to help , Dino’s can take up a lot of it
I’m doing my best—the live rock I’m introducing covered with life all dies over time. I’ve dosed three batches of copepods into the tank and they’ve all died within a couple days. I’m dosing live phyto and PNS Bio. I can’t even get algae to grow.

I’m really wondering if there’s some other type of toxin in the tank, but I’ve been rotating out PolyFilter and carbon on a fairly regular basis. PolyFilter didn’t show anything other than organics.
 
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The test strips are highly inaccurate for testing phosphates and nitrates. You need to test with the proper testing kits to determine what the levels are and keep them above zero in order to beat dinos.
The test strips were just an easy way to stay on top of things and check for some metals. I have been using Salifert and API drop tests as well and they all show everything within normal range. Nitrate is lower than I’d like, but I’m going to start dosing as soon as the stuff arrives.
 

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I’m doing my best—the live rock I’m introducing covered with life all dies over time. I’ve dosed three batches of copepods into the tank and they’ve all died within a couple days. I’m dosing live phyto and PNS Bio. I can’t even get algae to grow.

I’m really wondering if there’s some other type of toxin in the tank, but I’ve been rotating out PolyFilter and carbon on a fairly regular basis. PolyFilter didn’t show anything other than organics.
dinos can be extremely toxic , look up red wave. You may be breathing it in and causing health issues. Keep light only blue , and keep trying different things as it can be a combination of things needed to get rid of it, installing an in tank UV such as green killing machine will also help lower its population. Higher flow / increased temp will increase its competition with bacteria while keeping your fish healthy with the higher flow
 
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I’m doing my best—the live rock I’m introducing covered with life all dies over time. I’ve dosed three batches of copepods into the tank and they’ve all died within a couple days. I’m dosing live phyto and PNS Bio. I can’t even get algae to grow.

I’m really wondering if there’s some other type of toxin in the tank, but I’ve been rotating out PolyFilter and carbon on a fairly regular basis. PolyFilter didn’t show anything other than organics.
dinos can be extremely toxic , look up red wave. You may be breathing it in and causing health issues. Keep light only blue , and keep trying different things as it can be a combination of things needed to get rid of it, installing an in tank UV such as green killing machine will also help lower its population. Higher flow / increased temp will increase its competition with bacteria while keeping your fish healthy with the higher flow
Thank you. Those are all things I’m trying now—I have a 9W UV installed, added a wavemaker and turned up the return pump. I had added more white light recently in to try and encourage diatom growth but may go back to blues only. The temp is hovering around 80-81. I’m hesitant to go warmer because my house can get hot and I want to leave a little buffer room.
 

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Thank you. Those are all things I’m trying now—I have a 9W UV installed, added a wavemaker and turned up the return pump. I had added more white light recently in to try and encourage diatom growth but may go back to blues only. The temp is hovering around 80-81. I’m hesitant to go warmer because my house can get hot and I want to leave a little buffer room.
Ye don’t cook the tank lol , you can also do a 3 day blackout with the UV running. It would greatly help if you have a lot of Dino’s. Blackout as in cover entire tank in cardboard or something
 

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