Deworming?

[mcpeachy]

I did a fresh water dip initially when my trigger came in. He had an angular looking worm thing and I think I saw it again last night doing another fresh water dip. Today he is not happy at all. He won’t eat this afternoon when he normally would beg for food. He seems skiddish and hiding and has been going in the powerhead when he thinks I can’t see him. He has been in cupramine 14 days but at 76 degrees. I think I can take him out? Or is it only if 78 degrees that it needs 14 days. He did have an active ich outbreak so I just worried about that and dealt with that. But what should I be doing? Pratzi or does this need another dewormer? I think the rest is sand as I have sand in that tank.

 

[mcpeachy]

Oh and those pits he had on his side seemed to have spread. Could they be worms?? That red brown thing came out of his mouth

 

[Mjrenz]

Sand isn't the best thing to have in a qt tank while running copper, it will absorb it and make it hard to keep the levels stable. I think we should ask the experts for some advice @ngoodermuth @4FordFamily @HotRocks

 

[4FordFamily]

Sand isn't the best thing to have in a qt tank while running copper, it will absorb it and make it hard to keep the levels stable. I think we should ask the experts for some advice @ngoodermuth @4FordFamily @HotRocks

I agree. 14 days is sufficient only if you’ve had cupramine at .5 PPM or higher for the full time and you are transferring the fish to another quarantine that shares nothing with the original and is ten feet away. Otherwise you have flukes/parasites and ich and will need to treat them concurrently.

Prazi isn’t ideal mixed with copper but in this case I don’t know you have many other options — unless you have another quarantine and can transfer after a full 14 days therapeutic.

 

[mcpeachy]

I agree. 14 days is sufficient only if you’ve had cupramine at .5 PPM or higher for the full time and you are transferring the fish to another quarantine that shares nothing with the original and is ten feet away. Otherwise you have flukes/parasites and ich and will need to treat them concurrently.

Prazi isn’t ideal mixed with copper but in this case I don’t know you have many other options — unless you have another quarantine and can transfer after a full 14 days therapeutic.

i can run out and get another qt. and maybe bleach the thermometer and powerhead? just rinse it super well before putting it back?

 

[mcpeachy]

I agree. 14 days is sufficient only if you’ve had cupramine at .5 PPM or higher for the full time and you are transferring the fish to another quarantine that shares nothing with the original and is ten feet away. Otherwise you have flukes/parasites and ich and will need to treat them concurrently.

Prazi isn’t ideal mixed with copper but in this case I don’t know you have many other options — unless you have another quarantine and can transfer after a full 14 days therapeutic.

the cupramine dipped down to about .44 at one point for about 15 minutes.

 

[4FordFamily]

i can run out and get another qt. and maybe bleach the thermometer and powerhead? just rinse it super well before putting it back?

Don’t risk that, doesn’t work well. You’d need to soak in bleach for some time. Any time I’ve tried to clean stuff to use I’ve failed to keep parasites out of that batch. Something always gets through unless I can soak them for 24 hours in bleach water solution and let dry afterward.

If you use a new QT, you’ll want Biospira to kick start the bio filter as well. It’s best to buy another cheap powerhead, heater, and filter if you pick up another QT

 

[mcpeachy]

Don’t risk that, doesn’t work well. You’d need to soak in bleach for some time. Any time I’ve tried to clean stuff to use I’ve failed to keep parasites out of that batch. Something always gets through unless I can soak them for 24 hours in bleach water solution and let dry afterward.

If you use a new QT, you’ll want Biospira to kick start the bio filter as well. It’s best to buy another cheap powerhead, heater, and filter if you pick up another QT

ok. and then pratzipro? do you think those pits are from worms or bacteria if they are spreading? i'm headed to petco...i have a tank with water without ich or parasites that i can use that has been cycled. it has other fish and live rock so i cant put him in that.

 

[mcpeachy]

heavily breathing in qt. no pratzi yet. he put up quite the fight. man, that fish is strong... i'm guessing he is scared? he has his trigger up behind the heater. i'm not sure if i should wait a half day for pratzi or not. not sure if breathing heavily is a good thing and then adding meds or maybe that's a symptom of the disease? i dont think he was breathing this much quite as much before. also, i put an airstone in instead of powerhead. glass cover ok? i left an inch of air space. worried he will jump out!

 

[mcpeachy]

Don’t risk that, doesn’t work well. You’d need to soak in bleach for some time. Any time I’ve tried to clean stuff to use I’ve failed to keep parasites out of that batch. Something always gets through unless I can soak them for 24 hours in bleach water solution and let dry afterward.

If you use a new QT, you’ll want Biospira to kick start the bio filter as well. It’s best to buy another cheap powerhead, heater, and filter if you pick up another QT

so it looks like a lot of worms came off...but he isn't eating! that's really unlike him. he normally begs. could he just hate his new qt without rocks and sand? should i do a bacteria treatment incase it has something to do with those pits?

 

[4FordFamily]

Did you dose Prazi? When they dislodge they hurt the fish sometimes and it can take a day or two before they eat better. How’s ammonia?

 

[mcpeachy]

Did you dose Prazi? When they dislodge they hurt the fish sometimes and it can take a day or two before they eat better. How’s ammonia?

yes, dosed pratzi over 48 hours ago. i was going to change the water in case there was ammonia. i wasn't sure if i could put that ammonia badge in his tank since it was in the last one. now that it has been 48 hours can anything survive on that badge? he hasn't eaten in 2.5 days. that concerns me. what's next???!! this fish ate 4-5 times a day before!

 

[mcpeachy]

yes, dosed pratzi over 48 hours ago. i was going to change the water in case there was ammonia. i wasn't sure if i could put that ammonia badge in his tank since it was in the last one. now that it has been 48 hours can anything survive on that badge? he hasn't eaten in 2.5 days. that concerns me. what's next???!! this fish ate 4-5 times a day before!

i can check the ammonia levels. you wouldn't worry just yet? doesn't look skinny.

 

[4FordFamily]

yes, dosed pratzi over 48 hours ago. i was going to change the water in case there was ammonia. i wasn't sure if i could put that ammonia badge in his tank since it was in the last one. now that it has been 48 hours can anything survive on that badge? he hasn't eaten in 2.5 days. that concerns me. what's next???!! this fish ate 4-5 times a day before!

I'd buy another one. If it's been completely dry for 48 hours you'll be fine.

 

[mcpeachy]

I'd buy another one. If it's been completely dry for 48 hours you'll be fine.

no ammonia, but now sunny looks pale. he hasn't eaten for like 6 days! he stays hidden...i'm super worried!!! i put kanaplex and furan 2 in there last night. his fin looks happy on his tail but otherwise he tries to hide behind the heater and looks super unhappy!! help...love this fish.

 

[4FordFamily]

no ammonia, but now sunny looks pale. he hasn't eaten for like 6 days! he stays hidden...i'm super worried!!! i put kanaplex and furan 2 in there last night. his fin looks happy on his tail but otherwise he tries to hide behind the heater and looks super unhappy!! help...love this fish.

Any cloudiness in the water?

 

[mcpeachy]

Any cloudiness in the water?

no. i did a water change last night before the furan 2 and the kanaplex. i took water from a safe tank source, so i did a full water change. does this combo of medications sometimes kill? any chance you think he needs different antibiotics? he has no rocks to hide under and that was kind of why i added those. i knew he needed them to be happy. i cannot lose this fish. he is my absolute favorite. i dont know what to do!

 

[mcpeachy]

what does cloudiness mean?

 

[Wildreefs]

I agree. 14 days is sufficient only if you’ve had cupramine at .5 PPM or higher for the full time and you are transferring the fish to another quarantine that shares nothing with the original and is ten feet away. Otherwise you have flukes/parasites and ich and will need to treat them concurrently.

Prazi isn’t ideal mixed with copper but in this case I don’t know you have many other options — unless you have another quarantine and can transfer after a full 14 days therapeutic.

Can you elaborate on the 14 days for copper?

If you have copper in your system, for at least 76 days, and add a fish at the end, would waiting an additional 14 days after last fish not only prevent ich from being attached from substrate (copper was in there and prevented reinfection while they went in) but stop ich from falling off to bury and begin reproduction?

 

[4FordFamily]

no. i did a water change last night before the furan 2 and the kanaplex. i took water from a safe tank source, so i did a full water change. does this combo of medications sometimes kill? any chance you think he needs different antibiotics? he has no rocks to hide under and that was kind of why i added those. i knew he needed them to be happy. i cannot lose this fish. he is my absolute favorite. i dont know what to do!

It tends to reduce oxygen in the water mixing meds. I recommend a bubbler and a small powerhead aimed up breaking the surface.

Unfortunately it doesn’t sound good, but don’t give up yet!