Difference in 2 different hydrose collective running the same version on software

[stokedmuffin]

Hello all i am running two different collectives on hydros controllers. the one collective shows me a lot of information about the pump the other one only tell me whether it is on or off . does any know why there is a difference ? both collective are running version 367 and i have tried

to reset the collective in question. Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thank you

 

[tbrown]

Are they both the same type of input? Both on an XP8 or is one an XP8 and the other on a Launch or WiFi?

 

[n2585722]

The one with the more info appears to be an XP8 output. A launch or wifi power strip will not have all that info since they do not have power monitoring and the XP8 does.

 

[stokedmuffin]

Yes the one that dosent have info is plugged into a launch conteoler I did not realize the launch has less features then the xp8

 

[n2585722]

Yes the one that dosent have info is plugged into a launch conteoler I did not realize the launch has less features then the xp8

The XP8 only has the 8 outputs. The Launch has 4 AC outputs along with 4 drive ports and multiple inputs so it actually has more going on on it than the XP8.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Would I be going far out on a limb here to say that such information is buried far away from the crystal clear marketing that clearly compares features of each module....

 

[BeanAnimal]

The XP8 only has the 8 outputs. The Launch has 4 AC outputs along with 4 drive ports and multiple inputs so it actually has more going on on it than the Launch.

Their product marketing and naming conventions are a dumpster fire.

How many years into this are they, with pages and pages of pictures and platitudes, yet there is no simple product matrix? There is no page showing everything -- clear specs, features, etc. It is spread over dozens of useless marketing platitude pages, forum posts and knowledge articles.

I have said it before - this (their marketing dumpster fire) is quite literally the overarching reason that I walked away and spent north of $6,000 with GHL.

 

[n2585722]

Would I be going far out on a limb here to say that such information is buried far away from the crystal clear marketing that clearly compares features of each module....

It is in the specs for each of the two controllers on the CoralVue website.


XP8 Specs

Launch Specs

 

[BeanAnimal]

You missed my point and made it for me at the same time.

Nothing they do follows simple conventions — from product naming to website structure to page continuity — pretty pages vs uniform and easy to digest and compare information.

 

[n2585722]

You missed my point and made it for me at the same time.

Nothing they do follows simple conventions — from product naming to website structure to page continuity — pretty pages vs uniform and easy to digest and compare information.

I have had no issues getting the specs from their web pages for each of the controllers I have. If I need to I can always refer back to them.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I have had no issues getting the specs from their web pages for each of the controllers I have. If I need to I can always refer back to them.

Of course you have no issue: you are their most dedicated apologist -- which is absolutely fine (honestly) -- though I simply don't come close to agreeing.

Repeating for the sake of it -- the information is poorly organized, sprinkled over numerous pages and interspersed between marketing platitudes and feel good images and wording. The site looks impressive, but absolutely sucks at quickly and clearly conveying information. It may all be there and getting better, but I have no patience or desire to sift through it. I see marketing bullet points and pretty layouts over function -- built by somebody concerned with aesthetics, not clear concise conveyance of actual relevant information.

Asking again rhetorically - where is the product features matrix? Where are the actual spec sheets with clear uniform layout for print or comparison? Where are the marketing cut sheets with clear uniform features tables, prerequisite components and compatible or complimentary components?

I wouldn't keep railing on this -- but coupled with the random naming of devices (lol, announcing the "blenny") that follow no naming or feature convention -- where every device differs in form factor, port layout and direction -- it feels like marketing and design decisions by a committee of 6 year olds, not professionals with a clear roadmap and marketing plan.


Just my opinion -- even if it is not popular. My point being (from my perspective) that if the actual device ecosystem is from the same source as the marketing and naming -- it is not for me. The Maven situation and their podcast spin machine reinforce this. I have nothing personal against David or Carlos and wish them and CV the best, but want nothing to do with what I see as a three ring circus.

 

[tbrown]

Of course you have no issue: you are their most dedicated apologist -- which is absolutely fine (honestly) -- though I simply don't come close to agreeing.

Repeating for the sake of it -- the information is poorly organized, sprinkled over numerous pages and interspersed between marketing platitudes and feel good images and wording. The site looks impressive, but absolutely sucks at quickly and clearly conveying information. It may all be there and getting better, but I have no patience or desire to sift through it. I see marketing bullet points and pretty layouts over function -- built by somebody concerned with aesthetics, not clear concise conveyance of actual relevant information.

Asking again rhetorically - where is the product features matrix? Where are the actual spec sheets with clear uniform layout for print or comparison? Where are the marketing cut sheets with clear uniform features tables, prerequisite components and compatible or complimentary components?

I wouldn't keep railing on this -- but coupled with the random naming of devices (lol, announcing the "blenny") that follow no naming or feature convention -- where every device differs in form factor, port layout and direction -- it feels like marketing and design decisions by a committee of 6 year olds, not professionals with a clear roadmap and marketing plan.


Just my opinion -- even if it is not popular. My point being (from my perspective) that if the actual device ecosystem is from the same source as the marketing and naming -- it is not for me. The Maven situation and their podcast spin machine reinforce this. I have nothing personal against David or Carlos and wish them and CV the best, but want nothing to do with what I see as a three ring circus.

I will say I love my Hydros Collective, but I do agree - sometimes the information is difficult to find and sometimes I have to check multiple pages on the site for the information I need on 1 sensor or controller. I actually have the 3 pages I reference most frequently bookmarked for easier access.

 

[n2585722]

I will say I love my Hydros Collective, but I do agree - sometimes the information is difficult to find and sometimes I have to check multiple pages on the site for the information I need on 1 sensor or controller. I actually have the 3 pages I reference most frequently bookmarked for easier access.

Do you know about the help link it the right menu to the web pages with the online manuals for the controllers?

 

[BeanAnimal]

I will say I love my Hydros Collective, but I do agree - sometimes the information is difficult to find and sometimes I have to check multiple pages on the site for the information I need on 1 sensor or controller. I actually have the 3 pages I reference most frequently bookmarked for easier access.

I was not exaggerating:

3 or so years back, I decided to get back into SPS. I was tired of developing my own controller hardware and software and decided to buy off the shelf.

I looked first at Neptune. I read a lot about durability issues and that gave me pause -- as did the PE ownership, Mobius complaints, my dislike of the Radion's (owned then) and the interface and general direction of the parent gave me further pause. I was further turned off by the form factor. No single device shares the same footprint and everything is some silly shape that serves no purpose other than to be "arty" or "different".

I looked at GHL Profilux. I read complaints about the software -- but was able to download GCC and see for myself. Clunky tabbed interface, but functional. The price was was a turnoff -- as was a conversation that I had with them years before when we hosted MACNA.

So I went and looked at Hydros. Page after page of jumbled marketing. The product names made no sense and the product pages were a mess. I couldn't figure out what I needed or how it fit together. I couldn't find specs, or a software interface to demo, let alone screenshots or anything about programming, logic or capability. Just happy go lucky platitudes and pretty pictures. I started to dig into knowledge articles and their forum. I gave up -- nobody should have to work that hard to get the basic product information needed to make an informed decision.

I went back and purchased the GHL products because I could see the software and actual relevant information about each product, how it worked and what was needed.

In what reasonable world does one offer so many overlapping and oddly named products without having a clear product matrix and spec and sales sheets?

Blennies and Minnows and Soles. Launches and Mavens and IVs. Control Xthis and XPthat, Drive ports and Sense ports. Products with the same prefix but followed by -s or -something or XD. There is no convention, clear hierarchy or meaning and no one place that all of this is listed, let alone in a comparable form.

It is patently ridiculous. As I said, it honestly feels like marketing and design by a committee of six year olds and if there is an adult in the room, they are afraid to speak up.

I don't care one way or the other. I am not a customer and have no desire to become one -- but some things just boggle the mind.

 

[tbrown]

Do you know about the help link it the right menu to the web pages with the online manuals for the controllers?

Like I said, I've got 3 pages bookmarked. I have figured them out mostly and the app is easy to use. I've used the manuals and been to every page multiple times. I'm pretty tech savvy and I don't mind working to figure things out. Could it be easier? Yeah. I still love my Collective and I'll continue to expand it as needs/wants arise.

 

[n2585722]

Like I said, I've got 3 pages bookmarked. I have figured them out mostly and the app is easy to use. I've used the manuals and been to every page multiple times. I'm pretty tech savvy and I don't mind working to figure things out. Could it be easier? Yeah. I still love my Collective and I'll continue to expand it as needs/wants arise.

Just making sure you were aware of it. It has been over 4 years now since I got my first Hydros controller which is now referred to as the X4 but was a Control 4 when I got it. Like you I really like it and managed to setup auto refill for my reservoirs in the garage from my RODi and that was before they came out with the RODI Filter type output. That was the the first use of my first Hydros devices was controlling the RODI unit and the mixing station. it controlled the ATO and AWC also at that time but did not control anything at the tank. My Archon was still doing that at the time but outputs from it were used as inputs on the Hydros to control ATO and AWC. I got some NXP pressure sensors and interfaced them with three of the 0-10v inputs to get the water levels in the three reservoirs in the garage where the RODI unit is. Those are displayed in percentage of full. Here is a screenshot of the garage inputs and it has those three inputs along with the low level and full float switches in the three reservoirs. Everything is automatically refilled All I have to do is add the salt mix to the mix tank when it gets refilled with DI water after the transfer to the fresh saltwater reservoir from the mix tank. After adding the salt mix and the mix tank is ready to use I press the mix ready push button. When the fresh saltwater reservoir goes low and the mix is ready the contents of the mix tank is transferred to the fresh saltwater reservoir using a pump in the mix tank. once the mix tank goes low the transfer is stopped and the mix tank is refilled from the RODI unit. If the fresh saltwater tank were to go full before the mix tank were to go low the transfer is held until the fresh saltwater tank in not full then the transfer proceeds. That should not normally happen but in case it does the logic is setup in the controller just in case.