Dinos Help !! please

[ReefDude716]

I have dinos that are on my sand bed and made their way onto some corals. Mostly just on the sand bed. It is not stringy or bubble.
I used a microscope and they are unarmored dinos.

30 gallon display with eshops rs 100 sump. so about 30 to 35gallons of actually water volume with estimation of equipment rock and coral etc.
My salinity always stable 1.025 , temp 77.8 to 78, alk 8.0, ca 430. mg 1400, phosphates .06, nitrates .48, potassium 385. ph 8.1 to 8.3.

attempts I took already to eradicate. Been adding 5ml of BrightWell Aquatics Microbacteria 7 for last 5 days.
I have been running an IM aqua shield uv sterilizer midsize ( 11 wats) in one of the baffles of the internal overflow before it gets to the exeternal overflow to sump. relevant dosing I dose 1.8 to 2ml of nopox daily along with 4ml red sea reef nutrition ab

I use ro water and vinegar when cleaning any tank equipment. TDS is around 0. I have a reef octopus 150 sss sump kind of overkill but want to use it when i upgrade to larger tank. I change my sock filter once a week when doing water changes. I change around 15% (4 to 5 gallons) weekly. I do blow off the sand when i see it getting worse.

I cannot risk doing a light out period and i will not raise my water temp.
I have to radion gen 4 xr15 pros but only set to 31% brightness because i have a 30 L shallow tank. max par is 250.

WHAT other options do i have ? am i doing something wrong. Do i need to upgrade to a better sterilzer ?

would lowering my phosophates more help rid dinos by starving them. only wory would be that it would also starve my coral. would cheato still be ok to run in my refugium

 

[JCTReefer]

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I don't know what percentage of folks had luck battling dinos with any of the methods in the old Dino thread but it's obviously a very low percentage, so I'd like refresh folks on the natural alternatives and lay out three areas of info: some of the factors that contribute to a dino outbreak...

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[Sam816]

I think you will benefit from dr tims refresh and waste away. they will clean out all organics from your tank.
or you can go aquaforest's probiotic route. there are 3 products that you can use.
siphon out detritus from your sand bed. if you have a deep sand bed then be careful. don't stir up all of the sand. go section by section.

 

[TheDragonsReef]

First off you need to immediately cut off the nopox and ab+ they both will only feed the Dino population.

Second I would dose some other types of bacteria as well, I used Dr Tim's eco balance and waste away to help fight mine. And I would also recommend dosing phytoplankton as they will compete against the dinos and help keep you nitrates and phosphates down in place of the nopox.

Other than that you should have enough uv wattage but you need to make sure you have the correct flow. If it's too fast it won't be able to do its job. Also dinos is not something you can beat in a couple days. It took me months to get rid of mine. But once you see that you are winning the fight and the population is declining, that's when I recommend the black out. As long as they're still thriving they will come back after a blackout, but if they're on the decline you can wipe it out faster that way. Your corals will be fine in a 2-3 day blackout even sps.

 

[ReefDude716]

Lol I’ve been trying to fight these dang things for two months. Till a few weeks ago I was dosing micro bacteria 7 and it helped they were almost all gone but I ran out cause it was the smallest bottle. My worry is if I stop the nopox that I’ll have a large spike in phosphates which could harm all my corals

 

[TheDragonsReef]

That's why I recommend swapping to phytoplankton in place of nopox. But nopox and aminos are steroids for dinos.

 

[dwest]

You mentioned you have a microscope. I would video them and upload the video for help. There are many types, some of which can be eradicated with UV, and others it can be more difficult. Since they are mostly in your sand, I’m guessing amphidinium. But again the video will help.

 

[zalick]

Can you have the UV pump and UV return both in the display tank? This should take care of it quickly (assuming its a type that enters the water column at night)

 

[Ippyroy]

I have dinos that are on my sand bed and made their way onto some corals. Mostly just on the sand bed. It is not stringy or bubble.
I used a microscope and they are unarmored dinos.

30 gallon display with eshops rs 100 sump. so about 30 to 35gallons of actually water volume with estimation of equipment rock and coral etc.
My salinity always stable 1.025 , temp 77.8 to 78, alk 8.0, ca 430. mg 1400, phosphates .06, nitrates .48, potassium 385. ph 8.1 to 8.3.

attempts I took already to eradicate. Been adding 5ml of BrightWell Aquatics Microbacteria 7 for last 5 days.
I have been running an IM aqua shield uv sterilizer midsize ( 11 wats) in one of the baffles of the internal overflow before it gets to the exeternal overflow to sump. relevant dosing I dose 1.8 to 2ml of nopox daily along with 4ml red sea reef nutrition ab

I use ro water and vinegar when cleaning any tank equipment. TDS is around 0. I have a reef octopus 150 sss sump kind of overkill but want to use it when i upgrade to larger tank. I change my sock filter once a week when doing water changes. I change around 15% (4 to 5 gallons) weekly. I do blow off the sand when i see it getting worse.

I cannot risk doing a light out period and i will not raise my water temp.
I have to radion gen 4 xr15 pros but only set to 31% brightness because i have a 30 L shallow tank. max par is 250.

WHAT other options do i have ? am i doing something wrong. Do i need to upgrade to a better sterilzer ?

would lowering my phosophates more help rid dinos by starving them. only wory would be that it would also starve my coral. would cheato still be ok to run in my refugium

Posting a pic of the dino in the microscope would help. There are many different types and can be hard to tell apart. Some of them go back into the sand at night and some enter the water column at night. These are all easy to fight, but they do require different stategies.

 

[JCTReefer]

Here’s you a reference for your scope. I found it helpful when I battled them. The first page of that thread is helpful also. It is a painful read going through that whole thread. Been there done that. And here’s a link if you want to down load the file.

 

[ReefDude716]

Can you have the UV pump and UV return both in the display tank? This should take care of it quickly (assuming its a type that enters the water column at night

 

[ReefDude716]

Can you have the UV pump and UV return both in the display tank? This should take care of it quickly (assuming its a type that enters the water column at night)

Unfortunately the uv light I have just goes in the bafle where the internal overflow to back of tank is and the water goes down it in order to get to next chamber. I have stopped the nopox and am going to be ordering some phyto plankton

 

[ReefDude716]

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Posting a pic of the dino in the microscope would help. There are many different types and can be hard to tell apart. Some of them go back into the sand at night and some enter the water column at night. These are all easy to fight, but they do require different stategies.

 

[ReefDude716]

Posting a pic of the dino in the microscope would help. There are many different types and can be hard to tell apart. Some of them go back into the sand at night and some enter the water column at night. These are all easy to fight, but they do require different stategies.

They tend to diss

Posting a pic of the dino in the microscope would help. There are many different types and can be hard to tell apart. Some of them go back into the sand at night and some enter the water column at night. These are all easy to fight, but they do require different stategies.

they leave the sand bed at night

 

[PBnJOnWheat]

From my experience feeding heavy got rid of dinos. I also did a 3-day blackout which I would recommend despite you saying you don’t want to do that. Feeding heavy got rid of mine no crazy water changes, cleaning habits.