Thank you for the chart! So if the max amount per dose is 0.1ppm of ammonia, what is the general consensus of down time when dosing more than 0.1ppm per day? Two, three hours before adding another 0.1ppm of ammonia? I will be dosing manually.
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I see, from your experience have you go above your own estimate of 0.1ppm per dose? If so how much?It may very well be that one can dose more at a time. I gave a conservative estimate that is for sure safe from an ammonia tox perspective. A couple of hours between doses is plenty.
Gotcha, thank you for sharing. I will skim more info from your original thread if anyone has done 0.2ppm per dose with no ill effect. Unfortunately I don’t have an available doser head for the ammonium bicarbonate.I dose mine with a dosing pump. I’ve split it into 3 doses that each take a bunch of minutes, if I recall correctly,,but am not sure how much each dose total delivers.
Thank you, I read a little more and decided to go with Ammonium Bicarbonate and will mix a stock solution per your recipe and switch to that. Its inexpensive and already arrived from Amazon. I'd rather not risk contamination over time from impurities.It will work, but drawbacks are getting food or USP grade, and getting a reliably known concentration since it is always a solution that may not be accurately known in concentration (and changes if evaporation takes place).
Hello! I have been dosing ammonia for about a month now, it is quite a lot for my little tank, and I have yet to see any nitrate pop up, any recommendations?Introduction:
Many reef tanks have an incredible nitrate demand, and despite the additional fish and coral food, still struggle to make an impact on the nitrate level. This can subject corals, anemones, coralline, macro/microalgae, and clams to nutrient starvation. Any photosynthetic organism requires an external nitrogen source because they cannot synthesize it on their own. While using a DIY nitrate dosing recipe is a fine plan to increase nitrate, corals and photosynthetic organisms prefer and will readily assimilate ammonia. In order for an organism to utilize nitrate, they must first internally convert it into ammonia; this takes more work and is less bioavailable. When given the choice, these organisms will choose ammonia over nitrate.
Why dose ammonia and what does it do?
Dosing ammonia can accomplish two goals: it increases nitrogen availability, and it can also be used as an indirect nitrate additive. Photosynthetic creatures can still use and benefit from nitrate, and having detectable levels is important to ensure nitrogen is constantly available. Nitrifying bacteria will convert excess ammonia into nitrate. While there is little risk of proper ammonia dosing to accumulate in cycled reef tanks, it also means ammonia will always be in short supply. For this reason, a detectable level of nitrate is recommended.
Ammonium chloride or ammonia bicarbonate?
Ammonium chloride and ammonium bicarbonate are the two common ammonium compounds used in reefkeeping. I prefer ammonium bicarbonate because it has no effect on the alkalinity of the aquarium, whereas ammonium chloride steadily depletes it: every 50 ppm of nitrate equivalents added through ammonium chloride will decrease the alkalinity by 2.3 dKH. It has an acidifying effect. Both are readily available online. It's highly recommended and inexpensive to source food-grade and high purity sources.
Ammonia Recipes:
The original recipes were taken from the DIY ammonia dosing for low nitrate systems thread by @Randy Holmes-Farley. I've only conveniently organized the chart and dosing regimen.
Ammonium bicarbonate: most ideal for alkalinity stability. However, it is prone to evaporation and losing potency from air exposure. Keep the solution as tightly sealed as possible, away from chronic air exposure.
Recipe:
20 g ammonium bicarbonate in 1 L of freshwater.
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Ammonium chloride: While the solution is more shelf stable, it will steadily decrease the alkalinity over time, so additional alkalinity compensation may be warranted in tanks receiving substantial ammonium chloride dosing.
Recipe:
13.5 g ammonium chloride in 1 L of freshwater
Both of these solutions have the same concentration: 4300 mg/L (4.3 mg/mL) ammonia, equivalent to 15,700 mg/l nitrate. 2.3 mL of this solution added to 100 L raises ammonia by 0.10 ppm (nitrate equivalent to 0.36 ppm).
Use nitrate tests to guide the dose
It's recommended to use nitrate levels as a proxy for targeting ammonia dosing, as directly testing ammonia isn't very accurate for the low and safe levels we aim for.
1. If nitrate is decreasing below your ideal target, nitrogen is in short supply (deficit) and warrants more ammonium dosing.
2. If nitrate is held stable around your ideal target, the dose is maintaining the nitrogen demand, which is the ultimate goal.
3. If nitrate is increasing beyond your goal, there is a surplus, and the dose should either be reduced or stopped.
Knowing how to progress with the chart:
Start the chart from week one and determine whether a dose increase is warranted by the end of the week. If nitrate is undetectable and hasn't increased within 3-4 days of dosing, skip to the following week.
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Pro tip:
Ammonium can be mixed with nitrate and even phosphate in the same solution. There are no interactions between them.
Why are we dosing ammonium instead of actual ammonia?
We cannot readily dose actual ammonia; it is a vapor at normal room temperature and pressure. Ammonium is a suitable substitute because some naturally converts into ammonia in seawater depending on pH, similar to how bicarbonate and carbonate alkalinity sources shift among each other despite only dosing one form.
Hello! I have been dosing ammonia for about a month now, it is quite a lot for my little tank, and I have yet to see any nitrate pop up, any recommendations?
Hello! I have been dosing ammonia for about a month now, it is quite a lot for my little tank, and I have yet to see any nitrate pop up, any recommendations?
I am dosing 8ml a day on a 15 gallon, no ammonia trace when I test, and no nitrate accumulation…. Using ammonium bicarbonate. I also have 5 fish I feed frozen 2 times a day, pho is high around .2-.3. And nitrate is bottomed out at 0
All im finding for ammonium bicarbonate is in powder form, what's the amount used to create the proper strength solution?
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Sounds good, but how much of it do I mix per gallon of rodi, to reach the suggested strength for dosing?That is the appropriate way to buy it. Be sure it is food grade.
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DIY Ammonia dosing for low nitrate systems
Some reef aquaria have chronic low nitrogen availability. One indicator is very low nitrate. Nitrate dosing is a fine remedy, but it is possible that ammonia dosing may be more beneficial for some organisms since ammonia can be energetically easier to assimilate than is nitrate. For this...www.reef2reef.com
Sounds good, but how much of it do I mix per gallon of rodi, to reach the suggested strength for dosing?
Quite a lot is 8ml for a 15 gallon tank, my phosphates are at .2 to .3 and nitrates are 0 and haven’t moved. I’ll have to try dosing nitrates.Hello! I have been dosing ammonia for about a month now, it is quite a lot for my little tank, and I have yet to see any nitrate pop up, any recommendations?
How much is quite a lot to what size tank?
Assuming you are not wanting to dose more, one can bump the nitrate with sodium or calcium nitrate to, say 5 or 10 ppm, then resume ammonia dosing. That is what I have done on a couple of occasions.
Quite a lot is 8ml for a 15 gallon tank, my phosphates are at .2 to .3 and nitrates are 0 and haven’t moved. I’ll have to try dosing nitrates.
Okay, final question lol. Is that solution the same strength as Dr tims ammonium chloride?The link gives exact recipes in post #1
Okay, final question lol. Is that solution the same strength as Dr tims ammonium chloride?
Randy, have always appreciated your knowledge base, going back to the old forums. I started a new tank early last fall. It's a 90 cube with about another 30 in the sump. Heavily stocked and fed often. Frozen mysis (which I've just started rinsing after phosphate tested at .34), pellets, and nori. I run a skimmer a chaeto on a reverse cycle. Had an icp done and my nitrates tested zero. Figure I'd start dosing ammonia bicarb based on Miami's chart and about 130 total volume. Screwed up my doser and started at 20ml/day split between two doses. Tested nitrates again and still zero. I'm up to 40ml/day. Can't say I've seen any negative effects though toadstools are all closed up (toadstools gonna toadstool). Nitrates are still zero. Assuming I should start to dose nitrates directly at this point. Is it okay to dose both simultaneously?