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Eels and lions have alot in common; I have seen many posts lately concerning eels, so I thought I would pass on some information that I have learned over the years. !st off, know your source, do not get an eel from a source that runs copper in their system. Eels have sensitivity to copper, antibiotics, tank cleaners and other tank additives; their liver sensitivity seem to rival lions. While eels many time will survive copper treatment, they will almost always die not much more than a year later. Eels rarely succumb to protazoan diseases and there is just no need to expose them to copper. They also seem not to transfer these diseases to other tanks, their super slime coating prevents ick and velvet from attaching, so a proper transfer method is all you need. Eels are very resilient and will usually recover from injuries on their own, so the need of antibiotics are usually also not called for. Sickly eels which will likely not survive survive treatment may be affected by protazoan diseases or bacterial infections due to injury. Pristine water conditions and a proper diet is usually all they need. They do come in with internal parasites so treatment with general cure, fritz paracleanse, or a combination or prazi pro and seachem metro is sometimes advised and has been know to be safe. While eels may not eat right away it is important to get them eating; as not eating is a sign of internal parasites.

Start your research in the wild. This is good advice for every fish you are interested in keeping. One of the most important factors you will learn, is their feeding habits. In the wild eels feed on a gorge/fast cycle, it is very important to emulate this in captivity. Their metabolism and digestive system require time between their feedings, eels can suffer fatty liver disease when fed too frequently. Overfeeding is the 2nd cause of death among eels in captivity, usually in the form of too frequent feeding. The 1st cause of death is carpet surfing, tanks must be covered and every crack and crevice sealed. Their nature is to be curious and cruise the tank poking their noses into wherever they can go; usually in the middle of the night while you are sleeping. Juvi eels may live in groups and be more social, but as adults will be more solitary and more aggressive. This is some of the info you will find when you start your research in the wild. Moray eels in the wild live from 20 to 30 years, but in captivity many sources are ok to say 2 to 4 years in captivity. That is a travesty, well cared for eels in captivity will live well over 10 to even 15 years, i currently know eels living more than 15 years in captivity. It all starts with a proper diet.

A diet low in thiaminese and including human grade seafood either fresh, frozen by you in small batches; or frozen from reputable sources, frozen and stored properly and used within the best by date. Frozen seafood does have an expiration date in which the nutrients are still viable. Unless otherwise stated, fish products used "not for human consumption", contains Ethoxyquin, which is a dangerous chemical preservative. This preservative is used at the dock when they separate the goods for human consumption, your food choices must specifically say, "does not contain ethoxyquin". The people I know keeping eels for more than a decade, exclusively feed human grade seafood. Some choices for feeding include; shrimp with shells(trim any sharp edges and ut up into bite size pieces), squid, octopus, mussels, clams, fatty fish(I prefer salmon). While I do not rely on supplementation I do stuff my chunks with a high quality pellet food. Remember pellets do expand in the gut so use sparingly. An algae pellet is a good addition, as predatory animals with get their green nutrients from the guts and tissue of their prey. Many have reported zebra eels eating nori. Liquid supplements usually rinse off so injecting a liquid supplement may help, be careful not to od supplements as there are fat soluble ingredients which will cause an issue. Pebbletooth eels can benefit from live feedings including ghost shrimp and fiddler crabs. Ribbon eels usually don't do well unless live feedings are included in their diet, appropriate sized mollies are a good addition. Unless you are keeping a fang tooth eel species tank, I don't suggest feeding fang tooth eels live food.

Juvi eels may benefit from more frequent feedings but as adults, no more than once a week will be best. Feed them their full then give them time between feedings for digestion. Give them time to become more active before feeding again. While eels can go hunger strikes; under most cases it is not normal, and there is always a root cause. It can be normal for new addition but after a sustained acclimation with an established feeding routine, it is not normal. Missing a feeding or two is no big deal, but when this turns into weeks, there is a problem. It could be water quality or a bully, or maybe you redecorated his tank. So 1st off, check your water quality. Feeding too frequently is many times a root cause, so examine your feeding schedule, as well the diet. Mg is known to be good for digestion, so at least maintain reef level mg; you can safely raise your mg to 1600ppm if you suspect a digestive issue. Maintaining reef level ca is also a good idea, as fish do assimilate nutrients from the water column.

I am not an expert, this hobby is not absolute, these are just some my observations, hopefully you'll find one or two points useful.
 

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Excellent info! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and taking the time to write this!
 
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An UPDATE and fine tuning to some nutritional info.

1st off I no longer recommend Hikari brand silversides, they apparently changed the species of fish they use, they now use smelt which contains thiaminese. I NOW recommend San Francisco Bay Brand.

I know shrimp is very popular food to feed, it is always best to get small batches fresh and freeze it yourself. Shrimp will contain thiaminese but also vitamin B1 to offset any potential issues. When shrimp is frozen fresh and used within a few to several months it will retain a greater value of nutrients. I also recommend whole shrimp, eels don't eat peeled and deveined shrimp in the wild. The whole shrimp will contain a larger and valuable amount of nutrients, cleaned shrimp will be missing many valued vits, enzymes, and minerals. Cut into bite sized pieces and trim any sharp shell edges.

Pebbletooth's diet will be dominant in crustaceans, shrimp and crabs; and will also benefit from mussels, squid and octopus. These eels do eat small fish in thewild and will also benefit from fish in captivity, they will need the inclusion of a fatty fish to get the proper value of efa's.

Fangtooth's diet will be dominant in fish, also including squid and octopus, I would limit the inclusion of crustaceans. In the wild their diets are very fish dominant and very minimal crustaceans. They are ok to also take some mussels, mussels are a great source of vitamin B1.

I do recommend wild salmon as the primary fish source, along with San Francisco Bay brand silversides. If youhave grunts available where you live, that would also be a good choice of fish. Bass and tuna also but maybe a too pricey too share with your eels. I spoil my fish but I'm not sharing my ahi. I'm researching other good fish choices.

Supplementation; I don't use supplements but it may work for you. You can get human B1 in liquid form, as a B1 deficiency is one of the main concerns. Thiaminese is the enzyme which binds vitamin B1; your main sources of thiaminese is going to be krill, many brands of silversides, and old frozen shrimp. Some signs of thiaminese poisoning is a twisting of the eel body, a gaping and mouthing the food without eating it, they will start out by going off feeding unexpectedly and without any apparent reason. This on and off denial of food can sometimes last a few months before the end. Efa's may also be a supplement to consider, especially if not getting fatty fish. Brightwell has the best line up of vits I've seen, Aminomega, Vitamarin-M, Vitamarin-C; Selcon and Vitachem Marine are also good products. To get more of your vits where you want them, try soaking pellets in the vits, then stuffing the pellets in your chunks. Try an algae pellet, as predators would get their green nutrients from the entrails of their prey, my favorite New Life Spectrum AlgaeMax.

Overfeeding, still a major issue and a major contributor to an early demise. I still run into people at the lfs and see post on here feeding their eels small daily meals. Feeding too often is the killing event of overfeeding I'm talking about. Eels are gorgers, not grazers, and their metabolism requires a fasting period between meals. It is very common for eels to develop fatty liver disease and yes, even become obese, and die well before even 2 years in captivity. An adult eel should not be fed more than once a week. You can feed their full on feeding day, this is not where you are going to overfeed them, they will take their full and let you know when they are full. Please don't be reeled in when they come begging a couple of days later. Consider your tank mate choices carefully for them not to become food, because if you want to give your eel a long life, they will need a fasting period between meals. The old nonsense "keep them well fed" will lead to an early demise, and any inappropriate tank mate will still become food, one day.
 

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Consider your tank mate choices carefully for them not to become food, because if you want to give your eel a long life, they will need a fasting period between meals. The old nonsense "keep them well fed" will lead to an early demise, and any inappropriate tank mate will still become food, one day.

Moving as slow as molasses on my eel tank, unfortunately. But still progressing as time allows - mostly plumbed now.

Had been thinking I'd be stocking a small number of larger fish but mostly keeping replaceable smaller fish with the fang toothed eels. Are you saying you think that contributes to a short lived eel?
 
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Moving as slow as molasses on my eel tank, unfortunately. But still progressing as time allows - mostly plumbed now.

Had been thinking I'd be stocking a small number of larger fish but mostly keeping replaceable smaller fish with the fang toothed eels. Are you saying you think that contributes to a short lived eel?

No the logic goes like this, "keep your eel well fed and they won't eat your fish". So people will feed their eels way too often, sometimes daily, to dissuade them from eating their tank mates. Either way that doesn't work. 1st off nature is nature, if you house a smaller, less aggressive fish with a fangtooth eel, eventually nature will take it's course, and the eel will succumb to it's natural instinct, and dine in the middle of the night, one night. And if one thinks that keeping the eel well fed by overfeeding will keep his tank mates safe, in the sense of feeding too often, then they will just kill the eel by feeding too often. Get my point; tank size and proper choice of tank mates, wilth the chosen eel, or eels.
 
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Eels are GORGERS, NOT grazers. Small frequent meals are a great detriment. If you want a long lived eel, simulate the feeding cycle they live in the wild, GORGE/FAST. Feed them their full(gorge), then give some days between feedings(fast). The size and maturity and individual temperament of the eel will dictate the exact feeding cycle, it's up to you to do the fine tuning. But your eel does not need to be fed every time it sticks it's head out of their den, this just makes a lazy, obese eel. You want them to go into hunt mode for at least a full day or even more, this not only provides a healthier eel. this activity is also good for digestion, but will also provide a much more entertaining eel. Oh if I forgot to remind, maintaining at least reef levels of mg is also good for digestion, if ever in question you can safely raise it to 1600ppm, I maintain my predator fowlrs around 1400ppm.
 
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So I've mentioned these points before, but something happened that makes me think I should make it a point again. So this guy at the lfs told me that his snowflake will regurgitate every so often. After some interrogation I figured that he was feeding way too big of pieces. I know, and you know, eels can dislocate their jaws and work down pretty big pieces of food. That's no reason to just throw huge large shrimp or jumbo pieces of squid and what-not in their tanks. This story is not too uncommon, when the eel eat huge pieces of food, they will be more likely to over stuff themselves and regurgitate. Feeding very large pieces also makes your tank dirtier, they always grab the chunk and shake it and work it down, you can see little bits flying everywhere. Oh I am finding out people are still jsut tossing food into the tank for their eels to find it on their own, just makes no sense to me. So the next time you hear someone say "eels are so messy", you think to yourself, "no it's the human that's messy". If you take the time to slice your food items into more manageable sizes and target feed; you will not only keep your tank cleaner, you will help with the eel's digestion and not over stuffing themselves and regurgitating. If properly fed eels are no messier than any other fish their size, and do not overly contribute to the bioload.
 

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Eels are GORGERS, NOT grazers. Small frequent meals are a great detriment. If you want a long lived eel, simulate the feeding cycle they live in the wild, GORGE/FAST. Feed them their full(gorge), then give some days between feedings(fast). The size and maturity and individual temperament of the eel will dictate the exact feeding cycle, it's up to you to do the fine tuning. But your eel does not need to be fed every time it sticks it's head out of their den, this just makes a lazy, obese eel. You want them to go into hunt mode for at least a full day or even more, this not only provides a healthier eel. this activity is also good for digestion, but will also provide a much more entertaining eel. Oh if I forgot to remind, maintaining at least reef levels of mg is also good for digestion, if ever in question you can safely raise it to 1600ppm, I maintain my predator fowlrs around 1400ppm.
This was hugely, hugely helpful. I was wondering about feeding schedule and this couldn't be more crystal clear. Thanks!
 

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I wrote another thread "Eels as pets"
I read that one! I'm basically using these posts as my handbook with the eels I'm getting Monday. I want to do everything possible to have them healthy and happy for the long run.

Separately, I read some of your posts about Picasso Triggers and am so pumped to get one now. Sounds like the intelligent pet I've been searching for.
 

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