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[Falcon wings]

Hey there all

From UK, been in the hobby two years, six foot by 2 by 2 tank

First tank was fish only and live rock, now full Lps tank

Actually I'm thinking of giving up on the hobby, I've spent thousands of pounds on my tank to always end up with ich and two weeks ago after months of perfection watching a very large tank that's big enough to dive into lol I've ended up with ich again

The cause seems obvious, inhabitants are lion fish, blue throat trigger, regal tang, sail fin tang, gold rimmed tang, maroon clown fish, all fish are fairly large
Anyway yes yes yes I here people saying too many tangs etc,

Look I bought a blue throat trigger for the reef tank, the online store I buy from I spend grands with these guys so they threw in the gold rimmed for free

He went into tank, I knew it was too late, couldn't send it back so he went in, he starts sparring with sail fin, no issues with regal, they started clashing, nothing violent, like side by side swimming then moving off, three days later they were getting on great, but gold rimmed had ich, I'm feeding mixed cube food and I add ginger and garlic organicly to the stuff in chunks and let it sit in the mixture and it stays in the fridge

Uv steriliser going at 100 watts, it's more like a pond uv, anyway good news is they are all eating very well and swimming actively,

Then all of a sudden gold rimmed starts doing this submissive dance with blue throat trigger, is she confused or what, they aren't even the same family of fish, they clash and play and chase each other but it's not violent, they swim happily a lot of the time playing. Then occasionally they go little mad

Woke up today and blue throat covered in ich but eating and swimming great,

Here's the deal, advice needed. I cannot be arsed or bothered to set up a huge quarantine abs spend more money and catch all the fish and stress them more in such a large reef tank.

So what's a guy to do, I'm 28, I should be spending my dosh on versace tops and going out, instead me and my bf spend our bucks on our tanks, Yeh we still eat out and go out for drinks but f meeee it's not worth the money anymore, I should of perhaps just made it into a caiman crocodile tank from day one, would of looked just as cool

So guys I digress, sorry, look I'm hoping the fish build immunity and somehow the parasite vanishes, that's the silly little child in me talking

I don't know what to do, do I leave them because they are fine for now, stay on top of feeding twice a day and let them be, option two my local fish shop said remove the regal and gold rimmed and wouldn't be suprised if the ich slowly vanished

They make a point even though scientifically that's not true, option 3 is try whacky things like ginger root powder which some swear by, and options 4 is watch things die, me grabbing a brick, screaming at the tank and watch glass shatter as 700 litres of salt water fills my pent house living room and floods the neighbors flat below me ( yes I've done that once with my jacuzzi)

Any ideas anyone, even other comments besides Ich, my setup etc, what you would do if it was your tank etc

Nitrates -15

Po4- 0.25

Kh - 10

Calcium and mag all in range, yes nitrate is little high but that's all feeding, dose nopox every day. Phosphate is high but it won't go down, just ordered a reactor for rowa phos to go in there rather than canister filter, I have eighty kilos of live rock. I make my own water from ro unit with zero tds. Maxima clam died after six months of being fine, pyramid snails killed him. I have sea urchin in tank and red star fish, corals are gonis who are thriving, hammers, bubbles, one palythoa, favia, torch, frog spawn, typical Lps who enjoy my less than perfect water but not so bad it affects them. And one huge green bubble tip anemone, cost me three hundred pounds, hes massive. Lights are led, nothing fancy like Ai hydras etc just America make called ramp timer pro, corals enjoy it etc

No sump, everything is in tank. Flow is spot on. Canister filter with rowa phos on, good tmc protein skimmer. Temp never stays stable. It gets hot, fans go on, uv adds heat. Temp reaches about 28 degrees, then I bring it down to 27.5 with fans and opening balcony door etc. Night time stays at 27.5.

All fish Eating and swimming, tank is two years old as I've said. Crushed coral sand bed.

Right I love you guys and your responses. Pick my info apart. Tell me off for all the wrong I do, give me your tips and suggestions, tell me what's right if anything. Tell me how or what to do with my ich at thus stage, stop me leaving this amazing hobby and keep me passionate fish nerds! I love this hobby i just need a pick me up, inspire me!

 

[melypr1985]

Welcome to R2R! I'm very sorry to hear of your ick troubles. I'm also sorry to tell you that the only way to truly rid your tank of ick is to take the fish out and QT while leaving the tank fallow for 76 days. You can try Hypo, but you'd have to remove the inverts and corals for that which means setting up another tank for them for at least 30 days. Here is some info on Hypo for you but pay special attention to the red parts. This is not my favorite treatment by a long shot, but if you wont/can't set up a QT then this may be your best option. You can try "ick management" but it will be hard especialy with the Gold Rim.

Hyposalinity: Treats Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) and gill flukes.

How To Treat - Place the fish you wish to treat in a quarantine tank with SG & temperature matching the tank they came from. Over a period of 48 hours, gradually lower the SG down to 1.009. You must use a perfectly calibrated refractometer at all times while doing hypo. Treat for 30 consecutive days, and during that time the SG must always remain at 1.009. If it inches up even slightly, the 30 day clock restarts. For this reason, many people use an auto top off system while performing hyposalinity. Some have even used hypo to successfully rid their display tank of ich, while others have failed. All corals and inverts must be removed beforehand if you wish to try this.

One of the challenges posed by hypo is maintaining a proper pH for the entire duration. While fish aren’t overly sensitive to low pH for short periods of time, anything continuously lower than 7.5 is going to be a problem. So, you will have to constantly test and then buffer the water to raise the pH. This can be accomplished by using supplements (available at most LFS) or you can “bake” your own DIY supplement by using baking soda. Spread baking soda onto a clean baking sheet, and bake at 300F for 1 hour. This process drives off water and carbon dioxide from the baking soda, and the result is an effective pH buffer. You will need to experiment (start with a very small amount) to determine how much is needed to raise your pH to the desired level.

Pros - Chemical free solution to ich, gentle on the fish. Scientific research also showed hyposalinity at 15 ppt for 2 days eliminated juvenile and adult flukes. When maintained for 5 days, egg hatching was prevented.

Cons/Side Effects - Difficult to execute properly, and hypo resistant strains of ich have been proven to exist (study done by Yambot in 2003.)

 

[dbl]

Welcome to R2R. I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations, but as you can see, there is a lot of knowledge here willing and able to help get you over the hurdle.

 

[Salty1962]

Welcome toR2R! Don't give up, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. I hope you get your issues cleared up.

 

[domination2580]

Welcome! Congrats on joining to most fun and addicting forum of the universe, please be patient and refrain from exiting this roller coaster of a hobby. Remember to keep your legs and arms inside the ride at all times! Especially your ground probes and heaters! Lol If you get stuck or in line to get on the ride please be patient! Now in all seriousness, patience is a huge thing in this hobby. Can't wait to see some pics!

 

[melypr1985]

Welcome! Congrats on joining to most fun and addicting forum of the universe, please be patient and refrain from exiting this roller coaster of a hobby. If you get stuck or in line to get on the ride please be patient! Now in all seriousness, patience is a huge thing in this hobby. Can't wait to see some pics!

You forgot to tell him to keep his arms and legs inside the ride at all times! He could lose a leg!

 

[domination2580]

Time to rewrite that lol!