Flame Angel white spots

[ngoodermuth]

I know you've already spent a good deal getting this rolling, but I wouldn't skip the airstone/powerhead. Using multiple medications will lower the oxygen levels in a QT considerably...

I would also +1 to adding copper to the mix (albeit slowly, so the fish has plenty of time to adjust) I see ich on the fish as well, likely what caused the bacterial infection (often secondary to parasites). All other fish that were in the tank with the angel should be treated as well, and the tank left fallow (fishless) for 76 days. Otherwise, the fish will just be re-infested when you put it back in your display...

 

[4FordFamily]

I know you've already spent a good deal getting this rolling, but I wouldn't skip the airstone/powerhead. Using multiple medications will lower the oxygen levels in a QT considerably...

I would also +1 to adding copper to the mix (albeit slowly, so the fish has plenty of time to adjust) I see ich on the fish as well, likely what caused the bacterial infection (often secondary to parasites). All other fish that were in the tank with the angel should be treated as well, and the tank left fallow (fishless) for 76 days. Otherwise, the fish will just be re-infested when you put it back in your display...

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[sneakerhead]

I would still bind meds to the food for the cycle of your ABX’s.

If im using pellets, how would you bind those?

 

[sneakerhead]

I know you've already spent a good deal getting this rolling, but I wouldn't skip the airstone/powerhead. Using multiple medications will lower the oxygen levels in a QT considerably...

I would also +1 to adding copper to the mix (albeit slowly, so the fish has plenty of time to adjust) I see ich on the fish as well, likely what caused the bacterial infection (often secondary to parasites). All other fish that were in the tank with the angel should be treated as well, and the tank left fallow (fishless) for 76 days. Otherwise, the fish will just be re-infested when you put it back in your display...

Ill add an airstone and a powerhead today.
I got cupramine, but it came with no instructions. My lfs just gave it in a specimen sample. Any recommendations on dosing?

 

[ngoodermuth]

Ill add an airstone and a powerhead today.
I got cupramine, but it came with no instructions. My lfs just gave it in a specimen sample. Any recommendations on dosing?

You’re going to need a test kit that reads ionic copper. The seachem test kit, specifically, or a Hanna tester. Also, a dropper of some sort would be helpful... as you add it by the “drop”

Here are the seachem instructions, but I would cut these in at least half and spread it out over 3-4 days...

 

[vetteguy53081]

Bacterial infection and presence of ich. QT with lower salinity, low dose copper and either PraziPro or Furan

 

[sneakerhead]

Unfortunately, my clownfish came down with something that looks horrible. What do you guys think it is? How should I tackle this with the flame angel situation

 

[mattzang]

unfortunately you have to get all of the fish in the tank out and qt them. that clown looks bad, i'd do it immediately if possible

 

[sneakerhead]

Looks like it’s too late for this guy... wish I could have done something to intervene earlier.
I have only one clownfish left in the display and the flame angel in the QT on the “trifecta”
What do you guys recommend I do from here on to save the clownfish in the display?

Edit:
The clownfish was almost dead. I read about freshwater bath so I thought that was my last resort. I gave it a freshwater bath for a few minutes and it brought some life into the little fella. At least it’s moving in QT right now. Hope it’s alive by tomorrow morning
Right now it’s in the Qt with the flame angel

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

You need to get all of your fish into QT that is Brooklynella. Brook is a quick killer. I would give everyone a 90 min bath in Ruby Reef Rally then move into QT with 2 scoops of metroplex per 10G for 14 days. If you cannot get RRR or a formalin product like Quick Cure, at a minimum they need a FW dip then into QT, your display will need to be fallow for 6 weeks.



https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/brooklynella.247938/

 

[ngoodermuth]

You need to get all of your fish into QT that is Brooklynella. Brook is a quick killer. I would give everyone a 90 min bath in Ruby Reef Rally then move into QT with 2 scoops of metroplex per 10G. If you cannot get RRR or a formalin product like Quick Cure, at a minimum they need a FW dip then into QT, your display will need to be fallow for 6 weeks.



https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/brooklynella.247938/

+1 ^^ Great advice, that is undoubtably brook and it will be back... it’s good that you did the freshwater dip right away, but that only bought him some time.

What happened when they were in QT? I know you were treating with copper and the trifecta... or are those different fish?

 

[ngoodermuth]

Ok, I went back and re-read the first post. I think we were mistaken with ich + infection... both fish are dealing with Brooklynella.

All of your fish need to be pulled to QT (If they aren’t there already) and like mentioned above, treated with either a formalin or acriflavine dip/bath followed by metroplex at 2 scoops per 10g for 14 days. You should be dosing the metroplex every 48 hours.

The dip is pretty important, as metro alone does not always do the trick.

 

[sneakerhead]

Thank you guys!
Is the dip supposed to be done once? Can I dip them three(2 clownfish and flame angel) together for 90 minutes?

Should I empty this QT altogether since I won’t be dosing the Furan-2, metro and kanaplex?

 

[ngoodermuth]

You can dip them all together, that’s fine. I would break down the QT... give it a good wipe down with vinegar if you are able, and set it back up to give them a clean tank to transfer to.

The bath *should* only need to be done once but if for any reason they still have symptoms after a few doses of metro (maybe give it a week or so) you can do it again.

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

Thank you guys!
Is the dip supposed to be done once? Can I dip them three(2 clownfish and flame angel) together for 90 minutes?

Should I empty this QT altogether since I won’t be dosing the Furan-2, metro and kanaplex?

Absolutely! ^^ I agree with @ngoodermuth

 

[sneakerhead]

Unfortunately the bigger clownfish has passed away... I guess the bought time wasn’t enough with the fw dip.
I’ll do as you you guys mentioned ASAP to save the other guys

 

[ngoodermuth]

Sorry for the loss :(

I wish we’d properly ID’d it sooner, unfortunately many of these issues look very similar during early stages...

 

[sneakerhead]

Sorry for the loss :(

I wish we’d properly ID’d it sooner, unfortunately many of these issues look very similar during early stages...

I appreciate all the help you guys have provided.

If the flame angel also has brooklynella, does it spread faster on clownfishes?
The flame angel still seems to be swimming well, the white marks look slightly worse like they are peeling or have some jelly like coating but still it seems to be doin much better than the clown was. The clownfish infection spread really fast.

Regarding the dip, just follow the instructions on rally bottle? I was able to find rally, it only came in a package with inch solution bottle as well.

Should I still bind food with focus and metro?

Should I add bacteria to the tank after the breakdown and cleaning?

 

[ngoodermuth]

It’s a good idea to add the bottled bacterial to the now “clean” tank, to help manage ammonia.

Brooklynella does definitely affect clowns more than other species. It’s actually been dubbed “clownfish disease” because of it. But, it can still affect other fish as well and shouldn’t be taken lightly.

I think the recommendation to bind the medication to food was to offset the slight chance of uronema... but, now knowing that it’s brook probably not necessary.

If you have it, wouldn’t hurt to do it anyway... it’s not a bad idea to treat fish proactively for intestinal parasites anyway. But, that’s up to you.

For the Rally bath, I usually use a 5-gallon bucket with an airline and small heater to keep aerated and temp-controlled. Doseage is 5ml per gallon of saltwater, aerate before and during the 90-minute bath.

 

[sneakerhead]

It’s a good idea to add the bottled bacterial to the now “clean” tank, to help manage ammonia.

Brooklynella does definitely affect clowns more than other species. It’s actually been dubbed “clownfish disease” because of it. But, it can still affect other fish as well and shouldn’t be taken lightly.

I think the recommendation to bind the medication to food was to offset the slight chance of uronema... but, now knowing that it’s brook probably not necessary.

If you have it, wouldn’t hurt to do it anyway... it’s not a bad idea to treat fish proactively for intestinal parasites anyway. But, that’s up to you.

For the Rally bath, I usually use a 5-gallon bucket with an airline and small heater to keep aerated and temp-controlled. Doseage is 5ml per gallon of saltwater, aerate before and during the 90-minute bath.

Thank you so much for taking the time out to help!
I’ll update with good news hopefully