General Cure and Cupramine

[Fastpitch]

Well it looks like dosing Cupramine and General Cure at the same time is NOT a good idea. But you veterans probably already knew that.

I have a Chromis hanging out in the airstone looking pale white. This in addition to the four other chromis harrassing him and I am guessing he's a goner. Probably will find his severed head floating in the morning. Guess it is better to learn on a $5 fish first.

 

[Humblefish]

I don't think this is due to mixing Cupramine + General Cure. Chromis are notorious for picking one another off.

And also for having uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

 

[Fastpitch]

I don't think this is due to mixing Cupramine + General Cure. Chromis are notorious for picking one another off.

And also for having uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

No sign of uronema at least as far as my untrained eyes can tell. But his classmates are definitely doing their best to off him.

 

[Fastpitch]

I don't think this is due to mixing Cupramine + General Cure. Chromis are notorious for picking one another off.

And also for having uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

BTW, have read all your material. Nice body of work.

 

[Humblefish]

No sign of uronema at least as far as my untrained eyes can tell. But his classmates are definitely doing their best to off him.

The whiteness you are seeing may be copper suppressing full-blown symptoms of uronema.

 

[Fastpitch]

The whiteness you are seeing may be copper suppressing full-blown symptoms of uronema.

Well if that is the case I am hosed. I have four others in the same QT. Plus a coral beauty. On my second round water dosed GC. Been feeding GC for almost 2 weeks.

 

[Humblefish]

Well if that is the case I am hosed. I have four others in the same QT. Plus a coral beauty. On my second round water dosed GC. Been feeding GC for almost 2 weeks.

I would begin dosing the water with metro (e.g. Seachem Metroplex) after the second round of GC.

 

[Fastpitch]

I would begin dosing the water with metro (e.g. Seachem Metroplex) after the second round of GC.

Just so I understand...GC has metro. But you are recommending continuing the metro without the prazi, correct?

 

[Humblefish]

Just so I understand...GC has metro. But you are recommending continuing the metro without the prazi, correct?

Yes. 48 hours after the second round of GC, dose just metro every 48 hours for 10-14 days. That should clear uronema.

 

[Fastpitch]

Yes. 48 hours after the second round of GC, dose just metro every 48 hours for 10-14 days. That should clear uronema.

Perfect. Thanks. And it sounds like I can continue the copper without interruption.

 

[Humblefish]

Perfect. Thanks. And it sounds like I can continue the copper without interruption.

 

[Reefahholic]

It's Uronema. The only way to beat it is API GC food soaked and treating externally at the same time.

It's been internal with every fish I've put under the microscope thus far. For some reason...It really loves to target Blue-Green Chromis. I have no idea why and why they are so sensitive to this parasite. Although I have had it wipe out some Clownfish one after another several times as well. This is one parasite that really gets my blood pumping and baffles my mind.

When it's assaulting Clownfish...I've noticed they tend to have equilibrium problems. The hold on for hours and swim sideways and struggle, but it finally takes them out. I've cleared the fish externally, but once it's already internal and it is attacking the fish inside....the fish will not eat the API GC and IMO the only way to save them at that point is with an injection of Metronidazole which most hobbiest can't do.

 

[Fastpitch]

It's Uronema. The only way to beat it is API GC food soaked and treating externally at the same time.

It's been internal with every fish I've put under the microscope thus far. For some reason...It really loves to target Blue-Green Chromis. I have no idea why and why they are so sensitive to this parasite. Although I have had it wipe out some Clownfish one after another several times as well. This is one parasite that really gets my blood pumping and baffles my mind.

When it's assaulting Clownfish...I've noticed they tend to have equilibrium problems. The hold on for hours and swim sideways and struggle, but it finally takes them out. I've cleared the fish externally, but once it's already internal and it is attacking the fish inside....the fish will not eat the API GC and IMO the only way to save them at that point is with an injection of Metronidazole which most hobbiest can't do.

I guess the reason I thought it was the meds is because I had already been treating GC internally and externally for 5 days. They all looked healthy. Then suddenly, one day, immediately after my second round of GC, one chromis is hanging out in the airstone. Like he could not get air.

But I suppose it doesnt matter now.... meds, or harrassment or uronema, I found him DOA this morning as predicted. To be safe I will follow @Humblefish advise and continue with metro, feed GC (though my coral beauty is not having it), and finish my cupramine round.

I honestly dont care all that much about the chromis, but I DO NOT want uronema in my DT.

 

[Fastpitch]

It's Uronema. The only way to beat it is API GC food soaked and treating externally at the same time.

It's been internal with every fish I've put under the microscope thus far. For some reason...It really loves to target Blue-Green Chromis. I have no idea why and why they are so sensitive to this parasite. Although I have had it wipe out some Clownfish one after another several times as well. This is one parasite that really gets my blood pumping and baffles my mind.

When it's assaulting Clownfish...I've noticed they tend to have equilibrium problems. The hold on for hours and swim sideways and struggle, but it finally takes them out. I've cleared the fish externally, but once it's already internal and it is attacking the fish inside....the fish will not eat the API GC and IMO the only way to save them at that point is with an injection of Metronidazole which most hobbiest can't do.

@Reefahholic - are you aware of any instructional videos or posts on how to scope a fish? I think I want to puke thinking about it, but am intrigued at the same time.

 

[Reefahholic]

I guess the reason I thought it was the meds is because I had already been treating GC internally and externally for 5 days. They all looked healthy. Then suddenly, one day, immediately after my second round of GC, one chromis is hanging out in the airstone. Like he could not get air.

But I suppose it doesnt matter now.... meds, or harrassment or uronema, I found him DOA this morning as predicted. To be safe I will follow @Humblefish advise and continue with metro, feed GC (though my coral beauty is not having it), and finish my cupramine round.

I honestly dont care all that much about the chromis, but I DO NOT want uronema in my DT.

If you buy 20 Chromis- 10 will drop dead if even one has Uronema and the others all look perfect.

For me, it goes a little beyond the Uronema. I suspect it’s an oxygen issue as well. These fish are very hyperactive.

 

[Fastpitch]

If you buy 20 Chromis- 10 will drop dead if even one has Uronema and the others all look perfect.

For me, it goes a little beyond the Uronema. I suspect it’s an oxygen issue as well. These fish are very hyperactive.

OK. Well that makes them a $10 fish......
Deceptively not as cheap as you might think.:confused:

 

[Big G]

OK. Well that makes them a $10 fish......
Deceptively not as cheap as you might think.:confused:

There are some fish sold in this hobby that probably should not be offered for sale at all. Blue/Green Chromis is number one on my list as a species "not" to put into an aquarium. Many species of tangs should be avoided as well. It's just not fair to the fish if the survival and thrive rate is not good. Ok. Off my soap box. :rolleyes: Sorry for your loss. :(

 

[Fastpitch]

There are some fish sold in this hobby that probably should not be offered for sale at all. Blue/Green Chromis is number one on my list as a species "not" to put into an aquarium. Many species of tangs should be avoided as well. It's just not fair to the fish if the survival and thrive rate is not good. Ok. Off my soap box. :rolleyes: Sorry for your loss. :(

You might be right. Learning and rethinking things as I go........

 

[Big G]

Here's a good read on tangs to ponder as you build: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/tang-aggression-understanding-and-combating.215698/

 

[Fastpitch]

Here's a good read on tangs to ponder as you build: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/tang-aggression-understanding-and-combating.215698/

Well luckily tangs are not my thing. Neither are corals. I am in a 55, and highest I will go is 90. I love the hobby and want to keep it that way, simple. I think I want to do dwarf angels. But I never see any articles on keeping multiples of them......