How do I know what size Turbo Alage Scrubber to get?

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  1. Floyd R Turbo

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    I get this question fairly regularly.

    Sometimes, the answer is pretty cut and dry. Other times, it's very much dependent on your specific tank setup and/or conditions.

    Things that might affect your decision might include (but are certainly not limited to):
    • Feeding rate on an average daily basis (this is the primary factor)
    • Tank volume
    • Other filtration (skimmer, media reactor, filter socks)
    • Frequency of water changes
    • Age of tank
    • Age of rocks (which is not necessarily the same as the age of the tank)
    • Condition of the rocks (new, clean, old, dirty, etc)
    • Algae problems
    • Nutrient problems
    • Desire to add macro algae to the scheme
    • Desire to replace other filtration

    The answer can also depend on the efficiency of your scrubber. It's important to note that my advice is tailored specifically for my Turbo Algae Scrubber products. This may or may not directly translate to another manufacturer's product, or a DIY build.

    I wrote up an article in my Knowledge Base on my website to help address this question:

    https://support.turbosaquatics.com/portal/kb/articles/choosing-a-scrubber-size

    While you will want to check that link to get the most current advice, here is that writeup at of the date of this post:

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    My scrubbers are sized primarily according to the level of feeding. If you go here http://algaescrubber.zohosites.com/planning-your-algae-scrubber.html and scroll about 1/2 way down, you will see a more in-depth description of "cube" and some other equivalent amounts for various types of foods that can help you estimate your total feeding level.

    I would really love to see the entire filtration industry switch over to this sizing methodology that has been generally adopted by Algae Scrubber folks...but yeah, probably not going to happen!!

    I do have a more in-depth methodology that is roughed out in my head regarding this question - because it is a common one. One of the issues though is that my "formula" tends to work well for my scrubbers, but it doesn't necessarily translate to a DIY scrubber, which is why I haven't developed it into something for general use quite yet.

    Based on experience and feedback, here are some rough "dividing lines"

    L2: good for tanks up to 120 to 150 gallons that are fed ~2 cubes/day, possibly a bit more feeding.

    L4: good for tanks up to 250-300 gallons fed ~4 cubes/day

    L8: tanks up to about 500g fed ~8 cubes/day

    L16: up to 1000g systems fed ~16 cubes/day

    Now given that, there are some adjustment factors that you can take into account.

    The first is other filtration. If you have other "primary" filtration components, these are obviously going to take up some of the filtration load. These can be live rock, skimmer, biopellets or other carbon dosing, filter socks, auto-water-change systems, denitrators, phosphate reactors/GFO, carbon, macro refugiums, you name it.

    So for example, if you have a 200g tank with a big skimmer (200-250g rated) and a biopellet reactor and you feed 4 cubes/day, you might be able to use an L2 because that skimmer and reactor are going to take up a good chunk of the load. But, you could also get an L4 and then the scrubber might take on a more complementary or possibly primary role, or give you room to grow, or serve as a fail-safe system.

    Now let's say you have a moderate sized skimmer (100-150g rated) and no BP reactor, now you likely to need the L4 as the scrubber is going to act more like primary filtration with the skimmer being complementary to the scrubber (but there are some really good 150g rated skimmers also...)

    Another factor is tank turnover rate - this is probably only an issue when you are in the range of 100-300g. If you look at the total flow across the screen in GPH and then divide that by the system volume, you get a tank turnover rate (it's not full-pass turnover, but anyways...). IMO you want this number to be > 1.0. So if an L2 need ~200 GPH and your tank is 200g, that's a TTR=1 which is a bit low, but its' OK. If you are at 250g, then it's TTR=200/250=0.8, while an L4 at 400+ GPH would be TTR=400/250=1.6, much better. Once you get to the 300-400g range, that's when the L4 TTR starts to close on 1.0, but when you jump to the L8 that doesn't change because the unit length is the same, but the screen is 2x as tall so you get a longer contact time per pass.

    Next you have other factors like persistent nutrient problems, a very neglected tank, or major algae problems. These tend to either bump you up a unit in size, but that is a temporary thing so I try to steer people who are in those situations to choose a unit that suits their "ideal" situation rather than view the scrubber as a "problem fixer". A scrubber can be that, in the long term, but in the short term sometimes you just have to do what needs to be done to get on the path to that ideal situation then set yourself up for long term success.

    Tanks that are larger than 300 gallons are typically expert-level systems, and are likely to have robust filtration systems. In systems like this, just about every filtration component is going to play a complementary role. There will likely not be a true "primary" method established, so the choice of scrubber size is typically more subjective.

    While I hope this helps, I am always here to help you size a scrubber for your specific system!

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    My plan is to develop an interactive online Algae Scrubber Sizing tool that will allow anyone to select a multitude of conditions & inputs.

    Until then...I'm here to help!
     
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    Thanks for this info!
     
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    Great Info.
     
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    Thanks, and shout out to your units. I love this thing!!!
     
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    I know there may be a little extra heat, power, size and price to getting a unit one size larger. Are there any other downsides, mostly I mean any operational downsides.
     
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    The larger units (L8 and L16) are heavier and therefore would be a bit more difficult to install, but once you get everything in place, you shouldn't need to fully remove the heat sinks from the base assembly, since the growth chamber lifts out and slides out the end - that is common for all units.

    The larger units also have a taller/deeper growth chamber, so it's a little more work to remove the false bottom, as well as clean off any algae that grows thick enough to touch the inside walls of the growth chamber, but nothing that a long-handled soft-bristled brush can't handle. I've actually been meaning to start including one with the L8 and L16, but I've been needing to get a few and test them out to make sure they don't scratch - I had a few recommendations from some customers that looked good.
     
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    Yea I would expect the bigger units to be slightly harder mechanically to deal with. Im not worried about that. I love messing with gear anyway :)

    Will the slightly oversized unit grow algae as well ? I mean is there any negative to the tank performance being a little bigger than needed. Im guessing there is not.
     
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    Generally speaking, yes, if you get a unit that is one size larger than you need, it will work fine. You may have to dial back the intensity or the photoperiod, or something like that. You can adjust the intensity, change the timer/control setting for photoperiod, reduce/increase flow, etc...all things that you can tweak to "dial back" or "dial up" one of my scrubbers.

    So if you're thinking that you need "X" quantity/level of filtration now, but in a year or two you might need "Y", you can dial back "Y" to "X" relatively easily, and have "room to grow"
     
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    Cool thats what I was thinking.
    I have a 110g with 12 fish so L2 was close, but I went for the L4. I had the space in my sump for the L4. ( I like your compact design )
    I have an L4 on order and looking forward to dialing it in.

    FYI - I did a lot of research for an ATS and could get anything I wanted. I think your is the best!
     
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    What is the current wait time on the L2?
     
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