Hydros Maven is Delayed

[JeffB418]

What is with you and the personal attacks?

I was laughing at them hosting customer facing services in their own closet, if it is true.

Yeah they don’t. They have addressed that before since people started to freak out when a hurricane was headed towards their HQ in NOLA a few years back. They use AWS from my understanding. I’m not a network guy so I can’t speak more than that. A lot of data like logs are graphs are stored locally on its SD card(s). The controller config json files are backed up to the cloud server as well.

 

[n2585722]

How far back was the last post that was related to the mavens launch? You guys seem to have a lot to talk about as it relates to the network architecture, but it’s way over the heads of most of us who joined this thread to talk about and get information about the mavens release.

Its time for me to unwatch this thread.

I don't think you will hear anything about a release date until the units are ready to ship to dealers or they are shipping to dealers. That is just my opinion though.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Yeah they don’t. They have addressed that before since people started to freak out when a hurricane was headed towards their HQ in NOLA a few years back. They use AWS from my understanding. I’m not a network guy so I can’t speak more than that. A lot of data like logs are graphs are stored locally on its SD card(s). The controller config json files are backed up to the cloud server as well.

I don’t know anything about Apex, but it sounds like their connectivity and hosted services are much lighter weight.

GHL is somewhere in between. Full local control with data logged in their cloud. Their app bridges to the device through their cloud. It is slow. I love my GHL stuff but not their cloud. I use the local interface over VPN when needed and built my own telemetry platform.

 

[Dom_P]

Yeah they don’t. They have addressed that before since people started to freak out when a hurricane was headed towards their HQ in NOLA a few years back. They use AWS from my understanding. I’m not a network guy so I can’t speak more than that. A lot of data like logs are graphs are stored locally on its SD card(s). The controller config json files are backed up to the cloud server as well.

Interesting. If the logs are stored locally on SD cards then the Bluetooth mode “could” make them available. It’s probably just too much data to transfer to the app over a Bluetooth connection for the app to look and feel responsive when graphing it, etc.

If it’s mostly just config JSON files in the cloud, then it would be pretty inexpensive to run.

 

[JeffB418]

Interesting. If the logs are stored locally on SD cards then the Bluetooth mode “could” make them available. It’s probably just too much data to transfer to the app over a Bluetooth connection for the app to look and feel responsive when graphing it, etc.

If it’s mostly just config JSON files in the cloud, then it would be pretty inexpensive to run.

The JSON config is pretty handy actually. You can download it locally using the web app and upload it as well. I’ve done a ton of manual reconfigurations just by editing that file. I’ve been able to clone entire hydros collectives to new devices by just replacing device serial numbers and uploading to cloned hardware configs. Or if you need to quickly clear a collective, I just delete stuff out of the json instead of using the app. Every few months I save off jsons from my collectives just in case.

A lot of the more convenient functionality like swapping out devices 1 for 1 can all be done in the app now. But early days I did a lot of that stuff thru the config file.

 

[BeanAnimal]

They have a massive facility. They aren’t just a mom and pop operation. It’s very feasible they have a couple racks of servers running.

I don’t doubt they do, the list of cons is lengthy and there are very few pros, if any in this era.

The rest of your post is another personal attack. The fact that you, or anybody else that you speak for doesn’t care for me does not excuse you from the rules or civil discourse.

 

[BeanAnimal]

The JSON config is pretty handy actually. You can download it locally using the web app and upload it as well. I’ve done a ton of manual reconfigurations just by editing that file. I’ve been able to clone entire hydros collectives to new devices by just replacing device serial numbers and uploading to cloned hardware configs. Or if you need to quickly clear a collective, I just delete stuff out of the json instead of using the app. Every few months I save off jsons from my collectives just in case.

What does it do if you try to upload a file with a syntax error or missing key?

 

[Dom_P]

The JSON config is pretty handy actually. You can download it locally using the web app and upload it as well. I’ve done a ton of manual reconfigurations just by editing that file. I’ve been able to clone entire hydros collectives to new devices by just replacing device serial numbers and uploading to cloned hardware configs. Or if you need to quickly clear a collective, I just delete stuff out of the json instead of using the app. Every few months I save off jsons from my collectives just in case.

Wait, what? Can you shoot me some info on use of the web app?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it and found where config download is

 

[JeffB418]

What does it do if you try to upload a file with a syntax error or missing key?

Loading a config just pulls the settings into the app, it doesn’t immediately facilitate an upload to your device(s). So if something is off I believe the app has some smarts or throws an error that won’t let you push it to the cloud and to your device.

Again, I don’t recommend this for everyone but it’s nice to have the ability.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Loading a config just pulls the settings into the app, it doesn’t immediately facilitate an upload to your device(s). So if something is off I believe the app has some smarts or throws an error that won’t let you push it to the cloud and to your device.

Your understanding is likely correct. Thanks.

 

[Dom_P]

Wait, what? Can you shoot me some info on use of the web app?

EDIT: Never mind, I found it and found where config download is

Thanks very much @JeffB418, the JSON is quite readable and looks to be easily modifiable

 

[TangledUpInBlue]

That’s rich coming from you.

They have a massive facility. They aren’t just a mom and pop operation. It’s very feasible they have a couple racks of servers running.

You literally rub everyone here the wrong way. You aren’t helpful. But you are correct 110% of the time even when you’ve been proven wrong. You constantly talk down to people and open your thesaurus to try and make yourself look smart. It’s exhausting.

Back to the ignore list you go.

Please do not speak for everyone, as I have found him to be refreshingly honest about many different things over time and do not see why people get so angry at him.

 

[BZOFIQ]

I don't think you will hear anything about a release date until the units are ready to ship to dealers or they are shipping to dealers. That is just my opinion though.

They were mum at the show. I think next update is going to be ...here it is, you can buy it now.

 

[BZOFIQ]

Please do not speak for everyone, as I have found him to be refreshingly honest about many different things over time and do not see why people get so angry at him.

Did you just sign up to like all his posts and then reply here; your activity would suggest that.


I agree with @BeanAnimal on a lot of things but that doesn't mean he is always right. Often times I see the back and forth, word stretching, deflecting, flexing and so on and I move on to other threads.

That said, I don't have anybody in my ignore list. I'm willing to listen to all sides of the story; however twisted.

 

[areefer01]

Interesting. If the logs are stored locally on SD cards then the Bluetooth mode “could” make them available. It’s probably just too much data to transfer to the app over a Bluetooth connection for the app to look and feel responsive when graphing it, etc.

If it’s mostly just config JSON files in the cloud, then it would be pretty inexpensive to run.

Neptune provides access to status and logs. It is documented. Chapter 10 in the comprehensive manual. It isn't anything that most hobbyist will use but some do. They provide an example to pull in data with date ranges to Excel.

I grab it and store it in InfluxDB and use Grafana. Nothing more than data retention and monitoring. I can trigger alerts which is nice while away.

 

[BeanAnimal]

What version of InfluxDB did you settle on?
Self hosted Grafana, or their SaaS?

I dumped my GHL data into influx/grafana for a while but ended up not overly happy with grafana, and will likely never use influx again — too many breaking version changes and rather poor documentation, even though there is mountains of it.

I am now messing with HA and find it to be more customizable, but also a bit rough in places. I suppose both beat building the dash from scatch.

 

[areefer01]

What version of InfluxDB did you settle on?
Self hosted Grafana, or their SaaS?

I am running InfluxDB v2.7.11. Self hosted, on-prem, home lab. I am a bit of a data hoarder.

I dumped my GHL data into influx/grafana for a while but ended up not overly happy with grafana, and will likely never use influx again — too many breaking version changes and rather poor documentation, even though there is mountains of it.

It seems Grafana is trying to force everyone to use their cloud so I am a bit behind on the latest and greatest. I would be more than happy to get off both although I would more than likely lose the data / history. Not really important though.

I am now messing with HA and find it to be more customizable, but also a bit rough in places. I suppose both beat building the dash from scatch.

I am drawing a blank with HA other than high availability. Could be that I am only on my first cup of coffee. I've not looked into changing but always open to learning new things.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I used to have a small rack of servers (6 or 7 SuperMicro 1U) here, at home. AD/DNS, File Server, Firewalls, Router, Milestone Xprotet, Sophos UTM manager, Screen Connect, Media Server, etc) I finally rid myself of all of them during covid and am down to a single Synology NAS that runs Camera Station and stores files. I tried to use it for Docker, influx, etc. but their docker support is insanely broken.

So my influx/grafana instance was hosted on a Digital Ocean droplet and the data collector was a local ESP32 sending to influx.

Current setup is all local. Home Assistant running on a Raspberry Pi4 and python and postfix data polling/collection. It is a much cleaner solution and the dashboard is far more flexible at so many levels. Different dashes for different screen sizes are possible, MQTT clients for custom mobile apps, etc. I lack the time to do much customization, but have what I need mostly done.

 

[areefer01]

I used to have a small rack of servers (6 or 7 SuperMicro 1U) here, at home. AD/DNS, File Server, Firewalls, Router, Milestone Xprotet, Sophos UTM manager, Screen Connect, Media Server, etc) I finally rid myself of all of them during covid and am down to a single Synology NAS that runs Camera Station and stores files. I tried to use it for Docker, influx, etc. but their docker support is insanely broken.

So my influx/grafana instance was hosted on a Digital Ocean droplet and the data collector was a local ESP32 sending to influx.

Current setup is all local. Home Assistant running on a Raspberry Pi4 and python and postfix data polling/collection. It is a much cleaner solution and the dashboard is far more flexible at so many levels. Different dashes for different screen sizes are possible, MQTT clients for custom mobile apps, etc. I lack the time to do much customization, but have what I need mostly done.

I'm down to a single server as well. Supermicro X13SAF-E with 128 GB of memory. Two different zfs pools for storage. One is 80 TB the other 40. Nothing fancy or too expensive. I also don't believe I will be upgrading as I do not see a need unless I find a deal on used enterprise SSD to remove my physical. This allowed me flexibility to spin up things to test while also acting as a file, media server, backup storage, and what not. NVR is tied in to Unifi in my case so one less thing to worry about. While its primary use is for home it came in handy when I was working. Easy to set up something and test instead of going through the 7 layers of bureaucracy...

HA - Home Assistant. That is a plot twist. I have not got into that so a bit ignorant. I am aware of what it does at a high level but I've not played with it at all. I am guessing here but thinking that may also be a hot mess as there are no standards in place for home assistant functionality.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I collect, format as MQTT and dump it right in through MQTT broker (mosquito). HA can poll directly tcp/websokects, etc. But I opted to write the middleware (python) for format control. When I get time, I can share full server topology, I built a deployment document (I tend to lose track of things and forget how I did them otherwise).

I have never looked at Hydros Dash -- and understand they have no API -- so not sure how relevant this is to Hydros users.