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https://reefbuilders.com/2018/05/04/there-is-no-ban-on-indonesian-corals/ Not sure if this is accurate
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To those concerned only (or even just primarily) about the business end of this, or to those p1ssed off because they won't be able to put wild coral X into their little glass box of ocean next week, I have to say that you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.
Reefs are dying all over the world. I won't debate the whys, but the fact is irrefutable. In the presence of man and all the abuse we throw at the oceans, we have truly endangered an already fragile ecosystem. We have to be more responsible with how we treat the oceans and the reefs and their inhabitants. This is not about lobbying or pressuring some government halfway around the world. This is about doing the right thing for its own sake. If you can't see that and follow along and be supportive, then go find your own island somewhere and live on it.
Yes, a ban like this is going to hurt and threaten some livelihoods. That's tough. You may have to change and adapt. Fortunately, you can do that. The reefs can't, at least not quickly enough to save themselves from unnatural abuse. Simple fact is that when all of the reefs are gone, so are we, so wake up and widen your view.
I don't know the reason for the Indonesian ban. I don't think anybody outside of the Indonesian government does yet. It may or may not be rooted in environmental issues, although most of the reef closures and bans we've seen have been. Until the ban is resolved and lifted, stop complaining, live with it, and find some other options.
To those concerned only (or even just primarily) about the business end of this, or to those p1ssed off because they won't be able to put wild coral X into their little glass box of ocean next week, I have to say that you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.
Reefs are dying all over the world. I won't debate the whys, but the fact is irrefutable. In the presence of man and all the abuse we throw at the oceans, we have truly endangered an already fragile ecosystem. We have to be more responsible with how we treat the oceans and the reefs and their inhabitants. This is not about lobbying or pressuring some government halfway around the world. This is about doing the right thing for its own sake. If you can't see that and follow along and be supportive, then go find your own island somewhere and live on it.
Yes, a ban like this is going to hurt and threaten some livelihoods. That's tough. You may have to change and adapt. Fortunately, you can do that. The reefs can't, at least not quickly enough to save themselves from unnatural abuse. Simple fact is that when all of the reefs are gone, so are we, so wake up and widen your view.
I don't know the reason for the Indonesian ban. I don't think anybody outside of the Indonesian government does yet. It may or may not be rooted in environmental issues, although most of the reef closures and bans we've seen have been. Until the ban is resolved and lifted, stop complaining, live with it, and find some other options.
To those concerned only (or even just primarily) about the business end of this, or to those p1ssed off because they won't be able to put wild coral X into their little glass box of ocean next week, I have to say that you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.
Reefs are dying all over the world. I won't debate the whys, but the fact is irrefutable. In the presence of man and all the abuse we throw at the oceans, we have truly endangered an already fragile ecosystem. We have to be more responsible with how we treat the oceans and the reefs and their inhabitants. This is not about lobbying or pressuring some government halfway around the world. This is about doing the right thing for its own sake. If you can't see that and follow along and be supportive, then go find your own island somewhere and live on it.
Yes, a ban like this is going to hurt and threaten some livelihoods. That's tough. You may have to change and adapt. Fortunately, you can do that. The reefs can't, at least not quickly enough to save themselves from unnatural abuse. Simple fact is that when all of the reefs are gone, so are we, so wake up and widen your view.
I don't know the reason for the Indonesian ban. I don't think anybody outside of the Indonesian government does yet. It may or may not be rooted in environmental issues, although most of the reef closures and bans we've seen have been. Until the ban is resolved and lifted, stop complaining, live with it, and find some other options.
Obviously reefs are in trouble. But with respect, I dont think its the opposition thats failing to see the bigger picture here. Its the banners and closers.To those concerned only (or even just primarily) about the business end of this, or to those p1ssed off because they won't be able to put wild coral X into their little glass box of ocean next week, I have to say that you need to open your eyes and look at the bigger picture.
Reefs are dying all over the world. I won't debate the whys, but the fact is irrefutable. In the presence of man and all the abuse we throw at the oceans, we have truly endangered an already fragile ecosystem. We have to be more responsible with how we treat the oceans and the reefs and their inhabitants. This is not about lobbying or pressuring some government halfway around the world. This is about doing the right thing for its own sake. If you can't see that and follow along and be supportive, then go find your own island somewhere and live on it.
Yes, a ban like this is going to hurt and threaten some livelihoods. That's tough. You may have to change and adapt. Fortunately, you can do that. The reefs can't, at least not quickly enough to save themselves from unnatural abuse. Simple fact is that when all of the reefs are gone, so are we, so wake up and widen your view.
I don't know the reason for the Indonesian ban. I don't think anybody outside of the Indonesian government does yet. It may or may not be rooted in environmental issues, although most of the reef closures and bans we've seen have been. Until the ban is resolved and lifted, stop complaining, live with it, and find some other options.
Corals arent threatened by over collection. Full stop.
Coral reefs are in big trouble. Banning collections will do nothing about that, and collections werent the problem in the first place.
I think you have a good middle of the road opinion. Finding Coral was a Netflix documentary that came out early this year. I encourage you to watch it, as the team of scientists (from Hawaii, most of them are hobbyists themselves) take a look at the LARGEST bleaching event in history....and what types of causes (possibly air travel etc) are conjectured to cause them.^^^^^this
Regarding the ecosystem, I would argue that our ecosystem is actually extremely robust. Look at what we’ve thrown at it. If it were fragile, it would have quickly crumbled upon any adverse interaction whatsoever. In contrast, specific location mass bleaching events have occurred in the past and those reefs have recovered. So who is to say what is going to happen for sure. Not saying we shouldn’t take steps to do the right thing and mitigate disaster, but the extreme steps that are being taken (pushed by those taking an extreme stance) are not the way to do it. That’s why I will never, ever take the side of any of these types of extremist groups. Their motives are not based on common sense and science. They are based on money, politics, and control using altruism as shield.
It's reasons like this the hobby has a hard time fighting back against these bans. While I truly believe this is a short term thing. Everything from your Lfs to even reef 2 reef is threatened by this ban that no one knows the reasoning behind. If no one new is getting into the hobby numbers will just continue to shrink.
Maybe you don't care about collectors and wholesalers halfway around the world, but what about the LFS struggling without bans and supply issues. The friends you wouldn't have if not for the hobby. All the people who develop products pumps, lighting even aquariums themselves ect.
None of this will disappear overnight but if in 10 years or even 1 year we have 80-90% less coral a lot of stuff will. You're not going to spend as much r&d on products when your market has considerably shrunk.
It's reasons like this the hobby has a hard time fighting back against these bans. While I truly believe this is a short term thing. Everything from your Lfs to even reef 2 reef is threatened by this ban that no one knows the reasoning behind. If no one new is getting into the hobby numbers will just continue to shrink.
Maybe you don't care about collectors and wholesalers halfway around the world, but what about the LFS struggling without bans and supply issues. The friends you wouldn't have if not for the hobby. All the people who develop products pumps, lighting even aquariums themselves ect.
If upwards of 90% of the corals we get now were to suddenly go away you don't think the hobby would shrink? Stores will be empty sooner, closed soon. Companies are not going to put as much money into R&D for a much more limited market. Reef keeping is already a niche hobby. We are probably going to see a surge in Australian corals short term, but as beautiful as they are there is still less overall variety in Australia, no maricultured corals and there will always be the overall greatest cost compared to the closer countries who also have lower wages. Some people will pay more for frags, a lot won't. You can't have retail spaces where it takes weeks or months to grow out corals. Sure for long time hobbyists this is fine but it's going to take far more effort to bring new people into the hobby and keep them in it.
What issue is Indonesia attempting to address? People in other countries keeping corals? The issue is health certificates. If you're against this you're on the wrong forum.