Is this ich or velvet? Help save my fish please!

[Luttky08]

HELP!! Is this ich, velvet or brookylnella?! We don't know what it is or how to treat it or how we're even going to get our fish out of our tank due to all the coral frags everywhere and thriving. Help! Our two 3 year old clowns have it and our wrasse for sure. We just lost our dragonet yesterday and wondering if this is what killed it. The wrasse doesn't seem to have any behavior change. It's swimming and eating normally Our clowns are eating normally but swimming down in the bottom corner which isn't normal for them. They normally swim everywhere. They don't seem to be slimy or breathing hard. Easier to see under the atenics. When white lights are on its harder to see

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

[Luttky08]

 

[Luttky08]

 

[Luttky08]

@Jay Hemdal can you help me?

 

[DaddyFish]

I hope Jay chimes in here soon.
I don't see what looks like Ich or Velvet to me. I'd have to guess Brook, but there's some very odd lesions/abrasions/tissue damage I think?

Have you tried the "lights out and shine a flashlight through the fish" looking for Velvet?

 

[Luttky08]

I hope Jay chimes in here soon.
I don't see what looks like Ich or Velvet to me. I'd have to guess Brook, but there's some very odd lesions/abrasions/tissue damage I think?

Have you tried the "lights out and shine a flashlight through the fish" looking for Velvet?

No, I am unaware of this method. What do you look for when shinning the light? They don't seem to be slimy or any mucus. Not breathing heavy, eating every time I put food in. Not scratching on rocks, don't seem to be doing anything too far out of the normal besides hiding at the bottom of the tank near the sand bed (lower flow)
Almost looks like I sprinkled flour on them in a way

 

[Brit’s Fish]

I was about to post really similar pictures of my clownfish with the same types of lesions on his head! Following to see what everyone says. I hope your fishies recover!!

 

[Luttky08]

I was about to post really similar pictures of my clownfish with the same types of lesions on his head! Following to see what everyone says. I hope your fishies recover!!

I'm praying it's not brookylnella these clowns are my world.

 

[Luttky08]

I was about to post really similar pictures of my clownfish with the same types of lesions on his head! Following to see what everyone says. I hope your fishies recover!!

What does your fish look like?

 

[Luttky08]

I hope Jay chimes in here soon.
I don't see what looks like Ich or Velvet to me. I'd have to guess Brook, but there's some very odd lesions/abrasions/tissue damage I think?

Have you tried the "lights out and shine a flashlight through the fish" looking for Velvet?

When I shine the light on them in the dark they seem to be totally normal looking. Color looks great, can see a few faint spots of clear/ white but other than that they look just as good as the other clowns. Do you think maybe this could be something from them trying to host my hammer? They have had stings before from trying to host our majano annomes. Maybe they are just dirty and need to clean themselves? (Just wishful thinking) I just want my babies to be ok. My tank is so full of rock work and coral idk how I'll ever get them out if they need to quarantine and I will never get my wrasse out. He will hide in the sand and I don't want to stir that pot...

 

[hds4216]

My clowns are the easiest ones to remove if I need to. I can almost always get them with a net and fast reflexes. They're easily bribed with some frozen food.

 

[Brit’s Fish]

What does your fish look like?

Mine looks similar but he also has one cloudy eye that is bulging a bit. He’s had the issue with his eye for over a week so I had assumed it was a scrape or some other injury but now he also has the whitish coating on his face. And the pitting on his head. eating and swimming fine though.
Edit: I saw that you mentioned that yours are trying to host a hammer. I forgot to mention that mine are also trying to host a hammer! I hope that’s the reason & they’re just getting used to it.

 

[Luttky08]

Mine looks similar but he also has one cloudy eye that is bulging a bit. He’s had the issue with his eye for over a week so I had assumed it was a scrape or some other injury but now he also has the whitish coating on his face. And the pitting on his head. eating and swimming fine though.
Edit: I saw that you mentioned that yours are trying to host a hammer. I forgot to mention that mine are also trying to host a hammer! I hope that’s the reason & they’re just getting used to it.

Could be Lympho with the way you describe his eye popping like that.

 

[Luttky08]

My clowns are the easiest ones to remove if I need to. I can almost always get them with a net and fast reflexes. They're easily bribed with some frozen food.

I pray we can get them if we need to. They are big so hard for them to hide in a lot of places. I didn't think about the frozen food in a net. Thank you

 

[Brit’s Fish]

Could be Lympho with the way you describe his eye popping like that.

That’s very true. It’s weird, I’ve had my pair for 5 months and nothing new has been added but who knows? Something may have stressed him out and now he’s not feeling so hot.
I hope your little guy gets better!!

 

[Luttky08]

That’s very true. It’s weird, I’ve had my pair for 5 months and nothing new has been added but who knows? Something may have stressed him out and now he’s not feeling so hot.
I hope your little guy gets better!!

Our clowns are about 3 years old both the male and female have the same thing and also our coros wrasse. We just got our coris wrasse and yellow tang about 3 weeks ago. So if anything, the tang or wrasse introduced something. We did have our psychedelic dragonet (my favorite fish in our tank) pass away Thursday night/ Friday morning. He was covered in a big ball of slime. We were thinking a coral tried to eat him but not too sure why he passed. Now we're concerned because our other fish look like the might have something. I hope your beautiful clown is ok as well. Best wishes to you!!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Given your last post about the dragonet, and looking at the clownfish, I do think they have Brooklynella. Ich would produce more discrete white spots and Velvet causes rapid breathing as one of the first symptoms.
The only other diagnosis would be a bacterial disease, but I just don't think it is that. The only thing that doesn't really add up is that Brook is usually seen on new clownfish, not long term captives. I guess the wrasse might have brought it in, but then, the timeline from the wrasse's arrival and the dragonet dying seems pretty quick.

You really only have two treatment options, and both involve moving the fish to a treatment tank. You *might* get away with just moving out the infected fish, as Brook does not affect all fish equally. Here is a thread:

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen in clownfish, but it can afflict any fish. The fish’s skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off, oftentimes causing excessive white mucous to form around the affected area(s). * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

 

[Luttky08]

Given your last post about the dragonet, and looking at the clownfish, I do think they have Brooklynella. Ich would produce more discrete white spots and Velvet causes rapid breathing as one of the first symptoms.
The only other diagnosis would be a bacterial disease, but I just don't think it is that. The only thing that doesn't really add up is that Brook is usually seen on new clownfish, not long term captives. I guess the wrasse might have brought it in, but then, the timeline from the wrasse's arrival and the dragonet dying seems pretty quick.

You really only have two treatment options, and both involve moving the fish to a treatment tank. You *might* get away with just moving out the infected fish, as Brook does not affect all fish equally. Here is a thread:

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen in clownfish, but it can afflict any fish. The fish’s skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off, oftentimes causing excessive white mucous to form around the affected area(s). * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute...

www.reef2reef.com

Jay

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don't think we will be able to get the wrasse out. He's fast and will bury in the sand. We may lose all our coral if we do attempt to take all the rock out. Thinking we may need to move all coral to a different tank then treat the display tank. But not too sure on what exactly to do.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I know, that is a tough call, any chance your dealer could hold the fish for you? Some larger dealers have treatment tanks.
Jay

 

[zalick]

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don't think we will be able to get the wrasse out. He's fast and will bury in the sand. We may lose all our coral if we do attempt to take all the rock out. Thinking we may need to move all coral to a different tank then treat the display tank. But not too sure on what exactly to do.

You should be able to get your clowns out as a starter. Over the last 20 years I've found my clowns are probably the easiest fish to remove.