JF Homewrecker - Is it worth it?

[ReefAddict16]

And for those that are wondering.

 

[Falcon53]

And for those that are wondering.

Funny, two different answers. And different than what he told me in person a couple years ago. I am sure he is tinkering on the margin all the time. One theme is clear...it's mostly blue light.

 

[SerpentSlick]

the only way I can express it to someone that hasn't seen one is that it is one of the only corals that is as color-saturated in person as it is photo-saturated online under actinic lighting.

I completely agree with this.

I thought for sure Jason had finally lost it and started photoshopping his pics, but a few years ago, when he brought some to Texas Coral Fest, I was quite surprised to see that it actually looked BETTER in person, and that crazy pink was insanely impressive and 100% legit!!!

It was a great way for me to learn that I didn't have to question EVERY single pic I saw online amymore!

 

[Falcon53]

I completely agree with this.

I thought for sure Jason had finally lost it and started photoshopping his pics, but a few years ago, when he brought some to Texas Coral Fest, I was quite surprised to see that it actually looked BETTER in person, and that crazy pink was insanely impressive and 100% legit!!!

It was a great way for me to learn that I didn't have to question EVERY single pic I saw online amymore!

While I haven't seen the HW in person, I have seen hundreds of Jason's frags in person and they look like they do in the photos. I had to scold a few people in my local reef club for making stupid false allegations about him...all of them people that had never actually seen his corals. I stood at his booth for an hour, and over and over again I heard, "wow man, your corals look exactly like they do in the pictures."

 

[SerpentSlick]

Funny, two different answers. And different than what he told me in person a couple years ago. I am sure he is tinkering on the margin all the time. One theme is clear...it's mostly blue light.

Jason clarified for me that he previously used a different brand T5 bulb(I forget the brand), but they were called Actinic Blue and are now discontinued, and that now he's using Blue Plus so, that's the where most of the confusion originated.

**The bulbs might have been called Blue Actinics, but the message is the same.

 

[BAUCE]

You might be right. When I met him a couple years ago, this is what he told me. But his most recent video on You Tube he seems to indicate differently (I just re-watched it)...so it might depend on the tank he is running. But Worldwide certainly does run whites for ~4 hours a day and they have fantastic coloration as well.

I personally follow the WWC method.

Can you show me where I can read up on this? Been searching this morning...Thanks!

 

[Falcon53]

Can you show me where I can read up on this? Been searching this morning...Thanks!

"We recommend running around a 10-12 hour total light schedule for coral. 3 hours of blue light, 4 hours of white and blue in the middle of the schedule, and 3 more hours of blue at the end is a general method. It can be beneficial to have the intensity fade in and out of the schedule if you have a controller, simulating sunrise/sunset. Too much light right away can bleach coral so until you know how corals react to your lighting system it is best to start off with a short schedule or low intensity and gradually ramp as you see the corals respond."

It's on their website. Go to FAQ, then Aquarium Setup.

 

[BAUCE]

I am not being passive aggressive... I am directly flat out saying that they use photos of oversaturated pics and under light that is not capable of growing them full time. They will flat-out admit that they edit the pics. Do you really know what you are talking about with UV and lighting? You cannot see UV spectrum. There is no true UV in RB lighting or even in the Radions that they use - their UV is more true violet with just a small touch of real UV. The best source of UV is a Metal Halide and some T5s. You cannot see this anyway... and if you could, it would get used up below 400nm and get seen as violet or maybe a violet/blue as they are spit back out.... none of the reds, most blues, yellows or greens in the trick photos have anything to do with UV and are 200nm, or more away from the UV spectrum. I think that they term that you are looking for is fluoresce.

Passive aggressive is more like the posts that you see that are in the vein of: "I got a X frag from a high-end sponsor who will not be named who showed me a photo and the coral never looked like this in the two years that I owned it."

I did not call them "tricksters." You did. They don't pretend to be anything else. They admit that they take photos under different lights than you grow the coral under. They admit that they doctor them. They are just trick photos, not dishonest about it. Would it make you fell better if I called them Illusionists? They have a market. The cater to it. Not everybody is into what they do. When people as for suggestions, they usually want the trick-light corals to show their non-hobby friends with blacklight or get the easier color out of, or they want stuff that looks good under any light. Not asking is not helping, IMO. I have no venom for either... just trying to help somebody by figuring out what they are after.

I do post photos of stuff that will look good in any system, under any lights for any person and need no tricks, RB-only or anything else. ...stuff that I have imported. I have already met your challenge... for about a decade. There are pics and threads out there... recently too. I do not need anybody to tell me what they requirements, risks and costs are for wild corals. I know it quite well.

You can get coral sea (Aussie), Fijian and Indo wild acropora. You need to know where the best stuff comes from where and each species is different. If you are into wild tenius trying to get the next Illusionist hot acro, then Aussie or Fiji is probably the best bet. There are collectors that will send you nothing but Tenius if you ask, pay a bit more and wait for then to collect them for you. Most Mari stuff is the same time and again... I would doubt that HW is mari... seems more like wild.

Have you ever ordered higher end sps from WWC? I was truly shocked about how spot on the corals looked when I got a frag pack. I've seriously never seen sps with such saturated and deep colors.

Also curious to where they've said they "doctor" their photos. Im asumming (which may be wrong) that they "doctor" them to convey what they look like in person under their bluer lighting. They grow their corals in blue lighting and Im curios as to why this is surprising that the photos look blue. When I take photos of my corals everything goes through photoshop to color correct. When I take photos when only my actinics are on I have to go in and make sure they're not all blown out.

 

[BAUCE]

"We recommend running around a 10-12 hour total light schedule for coral. 3 hours of blue light, 4 hours of white and blue in the middle of the schedule, and 3 more hours of blue at the end is a general method. It can be beneficial to have the intensity fade in and out of the schedule if you have a controller, simulating sunrise/sunset. Too much light right away can bleach coral so until you know how corals react to your lighting system it is best to start off with a short schedule or low intensity and gradually ramp as you see the corals respond."

It's on their website. Go to FAQ, then Aquarium Setup.

thanks for this! I was hoping they had more info on their nutrients. I've heard they run nitrates more elevated but havent been able to find that information again...

 

[happyhourhero]

Have you ever ordered higher end sps from WWC? I was truly shocked about how spot on the corals looked when I got a frag pack. I've seriously never seen sps with such saturated and deep colors.

Also curious to where they've said they "doctor" their photos. Im asumming (which may be wrong) that they "doctor" them to convey what they look like in person under their bluer lighting. They grow their corals in blue lighting and Im curios as to why this is surprising that the photos look blue. When I take photos of my corals everything goes through photoshop to color correct. When I take photos when only my actinics are on I have to go in and make sure they're not all blown out.

Dude that posted that hits hard at any system using LED to grow acros. The high end acros I have gotten from WWC have all exactly matched the photos.

 

[Falcon53]

thanks for this! I was hoping they had more info on their nutrients. I've heard they run nitrates more elevated but havent been able to find that information again...

That information (the nitrates) is on the Coral Lab white paper from Ecotech Marine. They run nitrates at 10-20ppm according to that paper. Mine are ~10ppm (colors are very hard to read on hobbyist kits).

https://ecotechmarine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/World_Wide_Corals_CoralLab.pdf

 

[Falcon53]

There is some debate as to whether using all blues negatively affects the long-term health of the coral. An actual scientist would probably be better suited to answer this question...or at least a hobbyist that isn't talking out of their butt like so many do. And this isn't directed at anyone in this thread, it's just a general frustration. There are very few experts and a lot of people blowing smoke.

 

[Dugless]

This thread seemed to get derailed pretty quickly. Weren't we talking about the homewrecker acro?

 

[Guttersnipe]

Welp. Looks like I'm pulling the trigger on a JF Homewrecker from Cherry Corals that'll be here Saturday. I'll do my best to document its arrival and progression on here

You will definitely make your money back. Don’t listen to anyone saying prices are dropping and everyone has it.

 

[Tallison]

Frag came in looking great from @CherryCorals, even came with a free Red Robin stag. Can't wait to buy some more!

 

[Guttersnipe]

Frag came in looking great from @CherryCorals, even came with a free Red Robin stag. Can't wait to buy some more!

Nic! I’m glad you didn’t get a doa frag. All you have to do is grow it out enough to sell a couple of frags and you’ll make your money back and the homewrecker will have paid for itself.
I can’t get one one my own at the moment so I’m thinking about maybe going in on one 50/50 with another reefer.

 

[Cujo#31]

It’s a Tenius, a really really nice Tenius. Solid, stable perams, flowand light with a solid supply of nutrients is all it needs.

 

[apex003]

When I bought mine from a WWC live sale, I thought “well if it looks half as good as the pic, it will be a nice piece.” When I got it, the colors we’re MORE vivid than the pictures. It’s definitely my personal favorite. Amazing color, hardy, and a good grower...

 

[AquamanE]

When I first saw it in person it blew my mind. It looks just like the pics unlike some other corals. Never seen a nicer coral. I can’t afford at the moment but will Definately get one soon.

 

[ELChingonsReef]

I have an opportunity to buy one right now but I'm wondering how different the home wrecker and the Walt Disney are. I have a walt Disney already. The colors are ok. Thats my fault because it's sitting in 200 par. I'm gradually ramping my lights up slowly because I have a lot of high end lps in the tank too. I have a mixed reef so I have to find a balance. I have 2 echotech raidon xr15s over a red sea 3ft tank . I'm running the lights at about 65% right now eventually to 75% over 60 days. I don't want to spend all that money for something that looks like the Walt Disney I already have. I've never seen a home wrecker in person. I've seen beautiful pictures. What do you guys think?