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There are 2 things many people constantly fight in their tanks, the main 2 pollutants, nitrate and phosphates. There are of course various ways of reducing them ranging from chemical absorption to biological ways of dealing with them. However IMO you can't beat mother nature's way of dealing with these pollutants in our aquarium and done in a natural way and that is with the use of algae (nature also has other ways of course).

IMO the best way to cultivate algae is with an algae scrubber for the reasons stated below. Algae use nitrates and phosphates as a food source as it does in the oceans. Since making and using my ATS I have no need for Rowaphos, pellets or Nopox etc etc.

Many years ago our algae scrubbers were simply to grow the likes of Caulerpa in our tanks later in our sumps but the method was not the most efficient. Now we have the much more efficient ATS either DIY or off the shelf units. I have 2 ATS's on my current reef tank a DIY waterfall scrubber and a Santa Monica HOG2 both work very well and are cleaned in rotation.

What better way to reduce nitrate and phosphates using mother nature's way of dealing with them after all mother nature has had many millions of years to perfect her ways and with great success of course. She has a way of dealing with just about everything but not always all the man made pollutants and issues we throw at it. She has done many years of research,trial and error and always arrives at the perfect solution for any given problem.

My philosophy with reefkeeping is try and mimic nature as much as is possible and you won't go far wrong. This philosophy and stood me in good stead for around 30 plus years of my 36 years in reefkeeping. I still do the odd water change but not as much as I used to and maintenance of my ATS's is minimal.

I also retain my skimmer (yes the reefs have their own type of skimmer) but not sure I really need to but it still pulls out skimmate even though it's lighter and not producing quite as much as before I employed my ATS. I have just completed my new A4 sized waterfall ATS which is going on my new 100gallon reef tank. and expect it to give me the same success as the A5 one I currently have on my70 gallon reef tank.
 
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Nice write up! What opposition are you referring to, as in what would you consider to be "non natural."
I thought I had given you an insight to that question as in so much as. Quote " Since making and using my ATS I have no need for Rowaphos, pellets or Nopox etc etc." Of course some of these ar used to increase the bacteria that feed on nitrate and to some extent phosphate the other being an absorption media.
 

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I thought I had given you an insight to that question as in so much as. Quote " Since making and using my ATS I have no need for Rowaphos, pellets or Nopox etc etc." Of course some of these ar used to increase the bacteria that feed on nitrate and to some extent phosphate the other being an absorption media.

Understood, just clarifying. I wouldn't call pellets unnatural. They assist a process that is already naturally occurring. While they're man made, so is a scrubber, skimmer. There's many ways to go about it! :cool:
 
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Understood, just clarifying. I wouldn't call pellets unnatural. They assist a process that is already naturally occurring. While they're man made, so is a scrubber, skimmer. There's many ways to go about it! :cool:

I was expecting that statement from your leading question.;) By unnatural I am of course referring to the fact you are using chemicals in the pellets to encourage and grow bacteria in an unnatural way. Compare that to say Siporax which just uses micro pores to house and encourage nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria to colonise it without the use of any other sustances.
 

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I was expecting that statement from your leading question.;) By unnatural I am of course referring to the fact you are using chemicals in the pellets to encourage and grow bacteria in an unnatural way. Compare that to say Siporax which just uses micro pores to house and encourage nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria to colonise it without the use of any other sustances.

Do you know what chemicals they use? I'm curious...
 
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The waterfall scrubber. I'm always looking for ideas and hate using chemicals.

The screen of my current A5 size ATS prior to cleaning.
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Hard to get decent pic's of my ATS sitting in my sump.
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Prior to bringing it online so no water running over it. .
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The DT.
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Close up of my SPS barnacle tower situated on the far right back corner of the DT.
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I don't use an ATS, but grow Cheato in a fuge. For years, I struggled with nutrients and used GFO reactor. My tank has now matured with several large SPS colonies and I'm able to maintain with just Cheato. I do feel this is "better," when possible. I often "burned" some of my SPS from changing the GFO out.
 

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The screen of my current A5 size ATS prior to cleaning.
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Hard to get decent pic's of my ATS sitting in my sump.
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Prior to bringing it online so no water running over it. .
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The DT.
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Close up of my SPS barnacle tower situated on the far right back corner of the DT.
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Thank you! What size pvc are you using on the scrubber (pvc that algae growing screen is attached 2)? I'm completing my scrubber Saturday.
 
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Do you know what chemicals they use? I'm curious...
Am sure your more than capable of finding out Google is your friend, However "Marine Bio Pearls / Pellets work by encouraging the growth of bacteria and enzymes on their surface, by providing essential nutrients required for growth

What do you call natural and unnatural in relation to the topic?

Thank you! What size pvc are you using on the scrubber (pvc that algae growing screen is attached 2)? I'm completing my scrubber Saturday.

As I said above its A5 size. 5.83 ×8.27 inches
 
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Thanks! Btw when you said A4 and A5 above I had no clue this was the type of pvc used. A1, B1, C1, it's all pipe 2 me lol.

I used simple 3/4" (22mm) overflow waste pipe and fittings. Never had an issue with it but I do soak it in bleach before use in the aquarium.
 

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I'm deliriously happy with my sulphur denitrator for removing nitrates, however I do not have room for a refugium and am simply using GFO to control phosphates. Keeping it natural isn't that important to me, but keeping it low-maintenance IS important to me, and I'd like a solution for phosphates that doesn't require replacing the GFO so often. I realize ATS can be effective for nitrates, but assuming no other strategy for reducing phosphates, can an ATS handle phosphates by itself?
 
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I realize ATS can be effective for nitrates, but assuming no other strategy for reducing phosphates, can an ATS handle phosphates by itself?

Mine seems to as I have no other way of removing/utilising phosphates in my system to any great capacity and BTW I feed heavily 3 or 4 times per day.I no longer have a need for GF etc as stated. Phosphates along with nitrates are more or less unmeasurable on various test kits I have used. However, I am glad you are "deliriously happy" with everything else you are doing to keep your nutrients low and corals happy. Good for you.
 

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I totally agree with Atoll as I also keep my reef extremely natural. Besides feeding my tank while I am naked as God intended :eek: I feed what fish eat in the sea such as clams and raise amphipods in the tank that I collect all summer. I also add mud from the sea all the time for the bacteria. I also use an algae scrubber to control nutrients. It seems to work as everything in my tank has looked good since seawater was invented, probably by Al Gore or Brian Williams. :rolleyes:
 

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