leopard wrass acting weird

[Jsieger89]

so without it none of the meds would end up i the fish?

 

[Jsieger89]

so i did a fw dip. 5 mins. at the 4 min mark breathing did start slowing a little. no flukes that i saw ever came off fish or was present after dip. One thing I did think about was i airared the water before hand but stopped while I had the fish in the dip. no water movement while fish was in dip. would flukes dislodge there self from gills if they were present?

focus will be in wednesday. so do i start ramping up copper tomorrow and next day hike i wait for focus or wait till after i start feeding med food.
i will update how fish is doing after dip. it’s only been about 20 min since i put him back in but it seems his breathing has slowed some.

 

[HotRocks]

so i did a fw dip. 5 mins. at the 4 min mark breathing did start slowing a little. no flukes that i saw ever came off fish or was present after dip. One thing I did think about was i airared the water before hand but stopped while I had the fish in the dip. no water movement while fish was in dip. would flukes dislodge there self from gills if they were present?

focus will be in wednesday. so do i start ramping up copper tomorrow and next day hike i wait for focus or wait till after i start feeding med food.
i will update how fish is doing after dip. it’s only been about 20 min since i put him back in but it seems his breathing has slowed some.

You're good. Start slowly bringing copper up.

Go ahead and medicate food. The focus is needed to bind. Since your in a QT it's better than nothing. Medicated food without focus is only a risk in a DT.

You may not get maximum effectiveness but you are better off to start getting some medication in the system while the fish is still eating.

 

[4FordFamily]

do you think i should do a freshwater dip now? i’m
worried about adding stress to the stressed fish but i blindly trust you. lol i am
getting a game plan together for a system to bringing new fish in and how to medicate them but i find my self scared to pull the trigger and just end up observing them in qt. should i pull fish out and fw dip? or weight it out and see if i can get him to eat some gc once i get my focus?

i habe 2 qt. 10 gal i bring fish from 1.018 to 1.025. currently the ten gal has 2 leopards and 2 midas blennies in it with a clear devider. the bigger healthier leopard is in first chamber with smaller / skinner less colorful blenny. the leopard that is acting weird is in back chamber with bigger more colorful and meaner blenny. i’m considering moving the big blenny and big leopard to the 55 gal qt that currently has a kohl tang emporior angel and potters angel in it. that would keep the fish from seeing another one of itself with only a piece of acrilick between them and may reduse stress. i’m worried about moving somthing over to that tank thow. again find my self stuck observing scrared to take action.

Yes I would do a freshwater dip for certain. If a fish expires as a result it was gone anyway. It’s more likely to help than hinder as a result.

Edit just saw you did already, good work.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Good advice already given so far, seems like you are on the right track. Just something to note, for future reference... I would aerate the FW dip both before AND during, mostly to make sure the fish is getting adequate oxygen. A healthy fish won't likely have issues, but if you are dipping a fish with severe gill damage they may struggle in the lowered 02...

 

[Jsieger89]

Good advice already given so far, seems like you are on the right track. Just something to note, for future reference... I would aerate the FW dip both before AND during, mostly to make sure the fish is getting adequate oxygen. A healthy fish won't likely have issues, but if you are dipping a fish with severe gill damage they may struggle in the lowered 02...

got it! in the future i will airate during as well

 

[Jsieger89]

so checked on fish this morning. he is still with us. but like noted before he is wedging himself under the tub of sand. the last few days i would occasionally see him swim out and act normal. this morning i seen him slip out from his crack in the tub of sand and it seemed he had buoyancy issues. he floated belly up and had to struggle a little to flip over and wedge himself back in there. i know swim blather is a problem either these wrasses but 1 month down the road would swim
blatter show up?

 

[Jsieger89]

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[ngoodermuth]

That’s not a good sign :/ has she been eating well for you, before recently?

A month is a little far in for collection issues, but swimbladder could be possible. I’ve also seen fish like this when they are too weak to fight anymore...usually after refusing any foods :(

You could try dosing plain epsom salt for the swimbladder...

 

[Jsieger89]

That’s not a good sign :/ has she been eating well for you, before recently?

A month is a little far in for collection issues, but swimbladder could be possible. I’ve also seen fish like this when they are too weak to fight anymore...usually after refusing any foods :(

You could try dosing plain epsom salt for the swimbladder...

the fish has been eating lrs and fish eggs (unsure of brand) fairly good for a month yes. i would not call him a pig. was still a little on the finicky side but was eating. i will look i to epson salt.

 

[Jsieger89]

ok so i habe a shot glass with food in it soaking in general cure and kaplanex. i was unsure how mitch to put on the food. the directions on the meds basically are for dosing into the water colum for ten gal. some clarity on how much med to put on the food would help.

also doses 1.0 ml of coppersafe into the ten gal to start ramping up that. i have read on dosing instructions but it’s a bit confusing but basically i need to reach 1.5-2.0 on my hanna checker for 12 days correct? i plan on just dosing 1 ml morning and night and check after till i reach the 1.5-2.0 mark then start the count down.

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

ok so i habe a shot glass with food in it soaking in general cure and kaplanex. i was unsure how mitch to put on the food. the directions on the meds basically are for dosing into the water colum for ten. some clarity on how mitch med to put on the food would help. also doses 1.0 ml of viper safe into the ten gal at to start ramping up that. i have reason that and it’s a bit confusing but basically i need to reach 1.5-2.0 on my hanna checker for 12 days correct? i plan on just dosing 1 ml morning and night and check after till i reach the 1.5-2.0 mark then start the count down.

Take your frozen cube and let it thaw, then smash it flat and cover with 1 scoop of focus. I usually wait 5 min then mix it in to ensure consistency throughout. Afterwards just cover the food with GC (lightly) and wait 5 min so it binds, then stir again. You are now ready to add a drop of garlic,etc for taste. Feed and store the rest in your freezer.

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

ok so i habe a shot glass with food in it soaking in general cure and kaplanex. i was unsure how mitch to put on the food. the directions on the meds basically are for dosing into the water colum for ten gal. some clarity on how much med to put on the food would help.

also doses 1.0 ml of coppersafe into the ten gal to start ramping up that. i have read on dosing instructions but it’s a bit confusing but basically i need to reach 1.5-2.0 on my hanna checker for 12 days correct? i plan on just dosing 1 ml morning and night and check after till i reach the 1.5-2.0 mark then start the count down.

1.5-2.0 is big window with cheleted copper try to target 1.75 and keep it there. That gives you room to go down a little if your fish are sensitive while staying above the 1.50 therapeutic minimum.

 

[Jsieger89]

1.5-2.0 is big window with cheleted copper try to target 1.75 and keep it there. That gives you room to go down a little if your fish are sensitive while staying above the 1.50 therapeutic minimum.

once i get there how long to i keep it there. do i need a air stone running while doing copper and feeding med food

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

once i get there how long to i keep it there. do i need a air stone running while doing viper and feeding med food

run copper for 30 days if they stay in the same tank. If you have a sterile QT you can transfer them after 14 days

 

[Jsieger89]

so lost the one wrass:( moving my attention to the other guys still in the qt. 1ml of coppersafe brought copper lever to .24. how quickly do i want to ramp up to 1.75?

 

[4FordFamily]

so lost the one wrass:( moving my attention to the other guys still in the qt. 1ml of coppersafe brought copper lever to .24. how quickly do i want to ramp up to 1.75?

Several small doses over 24 hours is good. We just ran in to velvet that survived 1.75 PPM so I’d recommend 2.0.

 

[Jsieger89]

ok what behaviors should i watch for in the fish?
also i habe a little ***** air pump running with airstone but the thing is a tiny little pump. do you think this is adequate or should i get more air?

my plan.
1. keep dosing copper and testing slowly to ramp up to 2.0 over the next 24 hours.

2. keep feeding gc and focus soaked food during this 14 days as well. ( when do i stop feeding medicated food?)

3. at the 14 day mark move fish to sterile tank and out of copper.
( i could do 30 days in same tank but transfer is superior meathed correct? cuts down on bacterial stuff that could happen?)
( do i need to aclimate fish out of copper or just match temp and salinity and dump them in)
4.treat with prazypro
( is this necessary?)
5. finally observe 15-30 days and move to display

any holes in my plan?