OK, so I know this is a risky and delicate subject and will wrinkle some toes probably including mine. But, here goes......bash if you wish, leave comments please.
We've been in business online for 18 years. In the early days it was quite sufficient to have a WYSIWYG photo and a basic descriptive name such as for example "blue Acropora" and folks gladly bought the coral based on the photo. OK, its a given that online photos are difficult and a generally accepted name helps identify some corals and I understand that, but putting a crazy name on a newly "released" coral and charging a super high price has been identified by many here on this board as part of the problem making this hobby unaffordable. The price was the price back then and everyone was happy. Then things changed and folks would only buy "Smurf Acropora" or "Jim Bob's Blue Wowza Acropora" that were priced 5 to 25 times the same coral that use to be just "blue Acropora". At the time we were actually ridiculed online for being so dumb as to still use generic names and to a certain extent we caved, but never went big time into the whole named coral genre. It all started with vendors suddenly naming Acropora by species name, even though most are all but impossible to identify to the species level by gross visible appearance. Then it got into fancier descriptive name, that are actually perfectly acceptable, such as Rainbow or Superman Montipora, which no long carry a crazy high price but remain the same coral. Then it got really crazy as the names and prices went just insane. I've been selling to many of the popular online designer vendors for over a decade and am often surprised to see the same coral that was a colony one week we sold to them suddenly at a swap a week later sold as a "designer" frag that was cut from that same colony. Not calling anyone out or shaming anyone here, I just know that sometimes hobbyists are more trusting of fellow hobbyists without knowing what goes on behind the scenes.
It reminds me of a frag swap years ago, we've been doing swaps for over a decade, when we had some nice blue zoanthids for sale. Many folks came up and said hey those are nice zoos what's their name. I shrug my shoulders and said blue zoos, they shrugged their's back at me and walk away even though they liked them they didn't buy because it didn't have a name! Later that afternoon I got tired of that and started calling them King's Ransom zoos and guess what--we sold some! Soon folks were coming up asking if we had any more King's Ransom and sure enough we sold every one. The same exact coral at the same price that a short time earlier we couldn't sell one we suddenly sold all. Lesson learned, dumb names sell corals. BTW, this was before there were sites with a catalog of zoanthids names.
Fast forward to modern times. Suppliers around the world, divers, and farmers at the source, have the internet and view boards like this, wow what a surprise. They see and copy dumb coral names and raise their prices. Prime example of this are Jawbreaker and Bounce mushrooms, years ago they came in the same price as other mushrooms, now suppliers are charging insane prices because they see a few vendors started selling them crazy high and the cycle started and they are cashing in too. Or another example is tge Stawberry Shortcake Acropora from Australia. We can get as many of them as any other Acropora but because solely on the name many exporters charge 2 to 3 times the cost of the other Acros. OK, I can't really change that so I won't rant. I can't change the world or the name game, and so-called "designer" corals are here to stay. However, I can change some things and would like your honest feedback and opinions. Let's not lament and dwell on what has transpired until now. If someone wants to call it "Jim Bob's Radioactive Blue Wowza Acropora" and charge 50 times the normal price and he can sell it, then more power to him, it's not my business.
We are about to launch a new site and we sre kicking around ideas so give us feedback please. At my own peril and possible financial loss and this probably will confuse and maybe upset some folks, I want to get back to more descriptive names and realistic prices where we can, that is when suppliers don't sock it to us by jumping on the named coral bandwagon. OK, dont yell at me, I get it, many folks like the names so they are readily identifiable, and many folks just like the whole so-called "high end" coral genre, I never did get into that classification--so-called "common" leather corals are beautiful to me in a mature reef tank, but I digress.
My thought is to use more generic names, but keep some commonly accepted names, and sell frags at all the same price, within pricing categories, with free shipping and quantity discounts. As we prepare our new site to launch we would like to know your thoughts on the subject of "designer" and "named" corals. Feel free to post your thoughts and comments. Some folks love the names, others shrug their shoulders, and others enjoy paying more to have the latest cool coral and are totally into the designer trend, while others feel it's destroying the hobby and making it unaffordable. What are your thoughts, where do you stand? (Bashing acceptable to a point, try to be kind please, I know this is long winded--I'm old and didn't get the memo that folks have short attention spans in the current digital world)
We've been in business online for 18 years. In the early days it was quite sufficient to have a WYSIWYG photo and a basic descriptive name such as for example "blue Acropora" and folks gladly bought the coral based on the photo. OK, its a given that online photos are difficult and a generally accepted name helps identify some corals and I understand that, but putting a crazy name on a newly "released" coral and charging a super high price has been identified by many here on this board as part of the problem making this hobby unaffordable. The price was the price back then and everyone was happy. Then things changed and folks would only buy "Smurf Acropora" or "Jim Bob's Blue Wowza Acropora" that were priced 5 to 25 times the same coral that use to be just "blue Acropora". At the time we were actually ridiculed online for being so dumb as to still use generic names and to a certain extent we caved, but never went big time into the whole named coral genre. It all started with vendors suddenly naming Acropora by species name, even though most are all but impossible to identify to the species level by gross visible appearance. Then it got into fancier descriptive name, that are actually perfectly acceptable, such as Rainbow or Superman Montipora, which no long carry a crazy high price but remain the same coral. Then it got really crazy as the names and prices went just insane. I've been selling to many of the popular online designer vendors for over a decade and am often surprised to see the same coral that was a colony one week we sold to them suddenly at a swap a week later sold as a "designer" frag that was cut from that same colony. Not calling anyone out or shaming anyone here, I just know that sometimes hobbyists are more trusting of fellow hobbyists without knowing what goes on behind the scenes.
It reminds me of a frag swap years ago, we've been doing swaps for over a decade, when we had some nice blue zoanthids for sale. Many folks came up and said hey those are nice zoos what's their name. I shrug my shoulders and said blue zoos, they shrugged their's back at me and walk away even though they liked them they didn't buy because it didn't have a name! Later that afternoon I got tired of that and started calling them King's Ransom zoos and guess what--we sold some! Soon folks were coming up asking if we had any more King's Ransom and sure enough we sold every one. The same exact coral at the same price that a short time earlier we couldn't sell one we suddenly sold all. Lesson learned, dumb names sell corals. BTW, this was before there were sites with a catalog of zoanthids names.
Fast forward to modern times. Suppliers around the world, divers, and farmers at the source, have the internet and view boards like this, wow what a surprise. They see and copy dumb coral names and raise their prices. Prime example of this are Jawbreaker and Bounce mushrooms, years ago they came in the same price as other mushrooms, now suppliers are charging insane prices because they see a few vendors started selling them crazy high and the cycle started and they are cashing in too. Or another example is tge Stawberry Shortcake Acropora from Australia. We can get as many of them as any other Acropora but because solely on the name many exporters charge 2 to 3 times the cost of the other Acros. OK, I can't really change that so I won't rant. I can't change the world or the name game, and so-called "designer" corals are here to stay. However, I can change some things and would like your honest feedback and opinions. Let's not lament and dwell on what has transpired until now. If someone wants to call it "Jim Bob's Radioactive Blue Wowza Acropora" and charge 50 times the normal price and he can sell it, then more power to him, it's not my business.
We are about to launch a new site and we sre kicking around ideas so give us feedback please. At my own peril and possible financial loss and this probably will confuse and maybe upset some folks, I want to get back to more descriptive names and realistic prices where we can, that is when suppliers don't sock it to us by jumping on the named coral bandwagon. OK, dont yell at me, I get it, many folks like the names so they are readily identifiable, and many folks just like the whole so-called "high end" coral genre, I never did get into that classification--so-called "common" leather corals are beautiful to me in a mature reef tank, but I digress.
My thought is to use more generic names, but keep some commonly accepted names, and sell frags at all the same price, within pricing categories, with free shipping and quantity discounts. As we prepare our new site to launch we would like to know your thoughts on the subject of "designer" and "named" corals. Feel free to post your thoughts and comments. Some folks love the names, others shrug their shoulders, and others enjoy paying more to have the latest cool coral and are totally into the designer trend, while others feel it's destroying the hobby and making it unaffordable. What are your thoughts, where do you stand? (Bashing acceptable to a point, try to be kind please, I know this is long winded--I'm old and didn't get the memo that folks have short attention spans in the current digital world)