Lighting Intensity Schedule Data?

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Anyone ever seen evidence of what sort of lighting schedule seems best?

As folks know, there's all kinds of possibilities, such as matching a natural daylight schedule, or having a fairly short ramp up and down and then steady lighting for most of the day to maximize photosynthesis time, etc.

I'm not sure what sorts of data might have been generated on what sorts of organisms (if any, really), but I'm curious what data is out there.

TIA
 
The late Jake Adams did a study in college that basically found light intensity and flow go hand in hand to remove metabolic products.
 
The late Jake Adams did a study in college that basically found light intensity and flow go hand in hand to remove metabolic products.

OK, I can believe that, but does that address the intensity schedule?
 
There's a few BRS videos about lighting schedules.

I have about 4 hours peak light in my sps tank (8am to 12pm) with my T5 and Radions. Following AB+ schedule for the most part. I also downloaded the farm settings from TSA and POTO because I wanted frags to grow faster to colonies in my tank. Those will give you an idea.

The Orphek Natura Icon follows the daylight in your location if you don't want to fiddle with the settings.
 
There's a few BRS videos about lighting schedules.

I have about 4 hours peak light in my sps tank (8am to 12pm) with my T5 and Radions. Following AB+ schedule for the most part. I also downloaded the farm settings from TSA and POTO because I wanted frags to grow faster to colonies in my tank. Those will give you an idea.

The Orphek Natura Icon follows the daylight in your location if you don't want to fiddle with the settings.

Thanks. I know the reef world is filled with recommendations, for lighting and everything else. I was more looking for actual data of some sort, or at least a recommendation based on some sort of data, rather than an assertion without evidence of what's good. The BRS page makes such an assertion about what is good, and they actually even contradict themselves and/or give incorrect info.

it is critical that you have an optimized light schedule to mimic the natural light cycle these animals receive in the wild.

it will always be somewhere within the 8 - 12 hours of total ON time each day. Exactly like the sun. This also includes a short ramping up to the maximum intensity and ramping down to zero intensity at the beginning and end of each day to mimic sunrise and sunset.
 
Thanks. I know the reef world is filled with recommendations, for lighting and everything else. I was more looking for actual data of some sort, or at least a recommendation based on some sort of data, rather than an assertion without evidence of what's good. The BRS page makes such an assertion about what is good, and they actually even contradict themselves and/or give incorrect info.

it is critical that you have an optimized light schedule to mimic the natural light cycle these animals receive in the wild.

it will always be somewhere within the 8 - 12 hours of total ON time each day. Exactly like the sun. This also includes a short ramping up to the maximum intensity and ramping down to zero intensity at the beginning and end of each day to mimic sunrise and sunset.
Agreed, I know you like white light (similar to Halide). I would highly recommend looking at the Natura Icon since it's set and forget with their schedule-- just set the timezone and it will just follow your sunrise and sunset automatically.

Unfortunately, I dont see any data backing up their claims but they have it for convenience.
 
So I designed my schedule based on reading and trying to approximate what the coral would see "in the wild", and based on my life and how/when I like to view the tanks.

During the summer, the Great Barrier Reef gets a 13-ish hour "day". Sunrise to sunset is 12.5-13.5 hours. I figured that the majority of that time would probably be more "indirect" sunlight, while only a shorter section in the middle of the day would actually be "peak/direct" light.

The 13-ish hours also happens to fit well with my life. I work from home, so I am looking at the tank all through the day. When I created my schedule, I landed at 14 hours total, 8:30am to 10:30pm. BUT! To avoid blasting my coral with TOO MUCH light, I use VERY long ramp times, with only a 4 hour "peak" in the middle of the day where everything is at its max.

My blues start ramping up at 8:30am, and hit their max intensity at 11:00am. Then, my "whites" start ramping up at 11:00am and hit their peak at 1:30pm. All colors are at the max for the day from 1:30pm to 5:30pm, then the whites ramp down until 8:00pm, then the blues ramp down until 10:30pm. 14 hours total schedule, but the first 5 hours and the last 5 hours are ramping, with only 4 hours of max intensity.

I vary the color mix and peak PAR from tank to tank depending on what's in that tank (LPS, SPS, softies, anemones, etc), as I also try to approximate the spectrum at the depths where stuff is collected (more or less white, more or less "UV", etc), but the schedule remains the same. I'm aware that stuff growing deeper in the ocean would likely have a "shorter" day, but, again, I also adapted the schedule to fit my lifestyle and how I view the tank.

I use @luxdium aftermarket LED pucks, so the color sliders don't line up with the actual LED colors, but my schedule looks like this in the myAI app.

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For a shallow water, high light tank (SPS, clams, etc) I've used the same schedule but shortened the ramps from 2.5 hours to 2 hours, so the "peak" increases to 6 hours (from 4) in the middle of the day. There are a million ways you could modify it, but I like the blue period in the morning and evening with whites in the middle of the day, so this is just where I landed.

Like you, I went looking for actual data but didn't find it. I just kind of made an educated guess based on experience and observation and rolled with it. It's been working well for me now for 6+ years.
 
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Orphek released an article labeled 'lighting in the reef aquarium" where they mention how intensity affects photosythensis saturation in coral. Written by Dana Riddle. Here is the link.

Couple other links I found:
Lighting the Reef Aquarium – Spectrum or Intensity?
A Different Look at Lighting: Effects of Prolonged Photoperiod, Spectral Quality, and Light Dosage

I've also used this thread as reference when I previously used Orphek Atlantiks on a tank, but I have mimicked the lighting intensity / schedule on other lights.

Not sure if this will fully answer your questions or not, but they are interesting reads.

Telegraham is also a solid resource for lighting reviews / testing on humble.fish
 
Anyone ever seen evidence of what sort of lighting schedule seems best?

As folks know, there's all kinds of possibilities, such as matching a natural daylight schedule, or having a fairly short ramp up and down and then steady lighting for most of the day to maximize photosynthesis time, etc.

I'm not sure what sorts of data might have been generated on what sorts of organisms (if any, really), but I'm curious what data is out there.

TIA
I don't think its possible to make a proper analysis Every coral is different. When you think you have it right you see a different set up from someone else. Blue verses white which you have said you prefer. My set up is white but there is a distinct light flow balance to achieve. That involves the structure and placement. Its like a dance . There seems to be no answer just an endless procedure just like life enjoy the Trip. I know this approach must drive someone like you insane. But Randy with all due respect there is not a formula for everything that I have found. Except for my mushroom Farm LOL
 
I don't think its possible to make a proper analysis Every coral is different. When you think you have it right you see a different set up from someone else. Blue verses white which you have said you prefer. My set up is white but there is a distinct light flow balance to achieve. That involves the structure and placement. Its like a dance . There seems to be no answer just an endless procedure just like life enjoy the Trip. I know this approach must drive someone like you insane. But Randy with all due respect there is not a formula for everything that I have found. Except for my mushroom Farm LOL

I’d settle for knowing a single experiment for a single coral, as opposed to the mantra of “this works for me”.
 
I’d settle for knowing a single experiment for a single coral, as opposed to the mantra of “this works for me”.
An Experiment involves " to me " a huge dedicated amount of time and exact control parameters neither I can provide combined with a lack of knowledge all the best
 
Anyone ever seen evidence of what sort of lighting schedule seems best?

I think most long term hobbyist would agree that there is no best. Very subjective in my opinion.

Having said that as I read your question the first thought that came to mind was older papers my Dana Riddle. He has a lot of articles on lighting, spectrum, and more that may help you. It also helps that he includes data and some real world tests in oceanic conditions. Example below.

I apologize that it isn't giving you a direct answer. I do, however, think when time allows recalling or re-reading some of his papers may. I also feel that reading through the archives on coral spawning will help. It goes without saying it is vital to make it work.



You are welcome. Hope your day is well.
 
An Experiment involves " to me " a huge dedicated amount of time and exact control parameters neither I can provide combined with a lack of knowledge all the best

Yes, it can. I’ve done growth tests myself and I know they are time consuming.

I’m resigned to the fact that most lighting recommendation have little basis to them other than sounding good and “it works”, but I’m hoping that is not always the case.
 
I think most long term hobbyist would agree that there is no best. Very subjective in my opinion.

Having said that as I read your question the first thought that came to mind was older papers my Dana Riddle. He has a lot of articles on lighting, spectrum, and more that may help you. It also helps that he includes data and some real world tests in oceanic conditions. Example below.

I apologize that it isn't giving you a direct answer. I do, however, think when time allows recalling or re-reading some of his papers may. I also feel that reading through the archives on coral spawning will help. It goes without saying it is vital to make it work.




You are welcome. Hope your day is well.

Thanks. I’ve mostly seen a focus on things like par and color/wavelength, rather than the intensity schedule.

I can easily imagine it has effects, or perhaps little effect. Matching natural conditions sounds fine, but does not answer the question.
 
I think most long term hobbyist would agree that there is no best. Very subjective in my opinion.

Having said that as I read your question the first thought that came to mind was older papers my Dana Riddle. He has a lot of articles on lighting, spectrum, and more that may help you. It also helps that he includes data and some real world tests in oceanic conditions. Example below.

I apologize that it isn't giving you a direct answer. I do, however, think when time allows recalling or re-reading some of his papers may. I also feel that reading through the archives on coral spawning will help. It goes without saying it is vital to make it work.




You are welcome. Hope your day is well.
My wish is to somehow make this information more readily available to new reefers with less knowledge. New members are not aware of the Library as it were. Is there not a way to present this other than them fumbling around an articles tangent ? Or even finding it ? it is a bit overwhelming. Just Knowledge here as opposed to as Randy says " what's best for me " . Sorry that's All I Have Brother. I do not posses a degree. Educate me .Like a line in a movie . Explain it like I am 2 years old. Don't ignore us or be condescending
 
Thanks. I’ve mostly seen a focus on things like par and color/wavelength, rather than the intensity schedule.

I can easily imagine it has effects, or perhaps little effect. Matching natural conditions sounds fine, but does not answer the question.

Intensity schedule, sure. Paper below. That is why I recommended just browsing when time allows. My lighting schedule was built using his Daily Light Integral formula.

Edit: I do not mean my replay as snarky - I just re-read it and got that sense. Sorry.

 
Mine was built on information from my local LFS Website which had a description of the light and flow requirements. They along with additional goggle research gave me Par flow and Intensity requirements which I thought was intensity . would it not be nice to have a resolve between all the sources and have it free information in the interest of ecology to be accessed by all ? Which by the way was the original intent of the Internet? I will say no more.
 
Intensity schedule, sure. Paper below. That is why I recommended just browsing when time allows. My lighting schedule was built using his Daily Light Integral formula.

Edit: I do not mean my replay as snarky - I just re-read it and got that sense. Sorry.


Thanks for posting it. I’m not sure I see how it answers the questions I posed, however.

Is it better to match a natural intensity schedule, or, for example, a 1 h ramp up and down?

How did you use it to determine a schedule?
 

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