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Feel free to do your own study to refute their findings.You've already said what that is! Coral Lab is EcoTech.
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Feel free to do your own study to refute their findings.You've already said what that is! Coral Lab is EcoTech.
Feel free to try for yourself and prove me wrong!!Feel free to do your own study to refute their findings.
Pretty sure he's still blasting t5's.@oreo5457 is Tom Barr still “the guy” for planted tanks or has he moved on? I’m sure there are new personalities at the top of the game now versus when I was into planted tanks. I know he was big time into T5’s. When I left planted tanks he was lighting his 120 gallon with an 8x54 watt ati sunpower at full blast.
And you don' t do spsFeel free to try for yourself and prove me wrong!!
You don't even have a reef tank!
Or better... let us know if that has anything useful for any normal hobbyist's application.
In Alex's defense, Hawaii has strict rules and regulations concerning coral. I'll also add, it wasn't until I saw him during the live stream, that I truly understood his passion, which sometimes is lost in written word here on these forums. He and I are cut from the same cloth. And once you understand his passion, his mission statement really holds a lot of merit. I love led's, but they have a lot of catching up to do.And you don' t do sps
See I have few per-determined biases here..
I don't have SPS at home, but plenty experience at the Waikiki Aquarium since 1995 and in the ocean. Every time you provoke me I have to tell you to stop, man. Not nice. You know what that Apple looking pdf from EcoTech is about! Stop fulling around trying to defend the wrong stuff!And you don' t do sps
See I have few per-determined biases here..
Thank you so much for the kind words!In Alex's defense, Hawaii has strict rules and regulations concerning coral. I'll also add, it wasn't until I saw him during the live stream, that I truly understood his passion, which sometimes is lost in written word here on these forums. He and I are cut from the same cloth. And once you understand his passion, his mission statement really holds a lot of merit. I love led's, but they have a lot of catching up to do.
Well I'm not alone....In Alex's defense, Hawaii has strict rules and regulations concerning coral. I'll also add, it wasn't until I saw him during the live stream, that I truly understood his passion, which sometimes is lost in written word here on these forums. He and I are cut from the same cloth. And once you understand his passion, his mission statement really holds a lot of merit. I love led's, but they have a lot of catching up to do.
You are a trouble maker! What a joke!Well I'm not alone....
Debating the use of LED's in Mike Paletta's new tank
ADMIN NOTE: This post and a number of posts under it were moved from Mike Paletta's build thread in order to keep that thread on topic. You can find that build thread here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/my-new-tank-by-mike-paletta.424677/...www.reef2reef.com
You are a trouble maker! What a joke!
What is your goal doing this? Sell your LEDs in this thread?
I'm sorry Oreo, but this is evil, man!
Don't you have anything better to do?
What?! You want to tell people that LEDs are actually better than halides then? Like that pdf from Ecotech says?? Joking or what??? Haha!
You are a joke, man! I don't have you as an enemy, nor hate you at all, but I feel sorry for your attitude. Seriously?
My original message was sent directly to Mike Paletta. You know I didn't open that thread! Guess what?! Mike is still my friend. I have a great respect from him!
Have you noticed that every time you try to bring your junk around me you are the one that goes home smelling bad? Take a shower and cool down!
Change your attitude! Deal with the facts!
Thanks for posting the link for that thread here! That was one of the most delusional messages ever published by Mike Paletta.
Many people from that time went to the halides and T5s.
They actually thanked me for all the messages I've published back then. Ha!
Now I know that you possibly hate me. Guess what? I do not hate you!
Here:
Taking advantage... here is from my friend Greg:
Debating the use of LED's in Mike Paletta's new tank
Oh good lord another one of these LED attacks? On the other hand I gotta give him credit for being passionate, attacking something as silly as lighting over and over and over and over again even in the same threads. On the other hand it makes reef2reef a worse place to come for info and post...www.reef2reef.com
Grege is trying Radions today. We are still friends!
I spend lots of time on this one:
Debating the use of LED's in Mike Paletta's new tank
So... This thread will be a repeat of dozens of others. A. Metal halides work well, but have disadvantages. B. T5 works well, but have disadvantages. C. LEDs work well, but have disadvantages. Each can work well, depending on usage & circumstances. +10000000000www.reef2reef.com
This is the only person that actually understood the core of the message:
Debating the use of LED's in Mike Paletta's new tank
I do run multiple tanks one with MH and T5s which was converted to MH and Radions and 4 tanks with LED Only. My tanks with LED have different LEDs on them, a couple with only very old Razors which are by current standards not that good lights.guess what MHs work and that was proven years back...www.reef2reef.com
I think you should open a thread called LEDs are the snappers!
Just a joke!
Stop provoking me, man! Haha!
Thanks for enriching this thread, Oreo.
Good night. Sweet dreams.
So... This thread will be a repeat of dozens of others.
A. Metal halides work well, but have disadvantages.
B. T5 works well, but have disadvantages.
C. LEDs work well, but have disadvantages.
Each can work well, depending on usage & circumstances.
Technically, that is their issue and really makes no sense.You are the reason why many nice reefers have left this forum.
Don't you feel bad about that
You mean like someone who goes on a crusade to champion halides and teardown LED's at every opportunity? Just a hypothetical possibility...
Must you in every thread that mentions LEDs?
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was it a false study, just marketing?
Haha! You have absolutely nothing better to do in your life!Technically, that is their issue and really makes no sense.
Maybe they should go through ALL of my posts and show me the error of my ways.
There is very little that is threatening nor steps out of my self defined box.
Most could be considered more an FYI .
Show me ONE POST where I said anything like "LEDS are the bomb" or one where I denigrated halides with the one exception that those large reflectors are ugly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyways.
BTW congratulations. Do you know how hard it is to get 30 plus people to thumbs up a comment on a forum?
Maybe you need to modify your style
I swear you work for Hamilton.
BTW since this is from a vendor and using your criteria..it is all lies and marketing.
Yeah, i went from T5 to 14k 250w MH on my 40G. Everything was groovy although hammer and frogspawn were stressed (7hr light cycle, 8-9 inches off the water. Clove polyps were hurting, likewise anacropora. i has a beautiful purple monti cap that died within a coupleafter 4 months under MH things were just kinda blah.Fwiw, i switched to MH a few months ago. And even with some major issues with the transition (most of which are settling down now) i have noticed increased pH. My tank basically went through a mini cycle the past few months. Algae exploded, then cyano, corals had major issues. I went way too fast! I had to back off my lighting a ton! I cleaned the algae and nuked the cyano. Finally my Coralline is growing back! Beautiful purple is filling my tank! Coral are perking up and my clam looks good! All in all, i think it will be worth it!
I'm not here to debate, but rather enjoy a healthy discussion about this hobby. I think passions get the best of us sometimes and it comes out in a not so friendly way. I really encourage people to take a step back and think before you type. We are adults here and need to help each other and also learn from each other, which is the point of having forums like R2R.Technically, that is their issue and really makes no sense.
Maybe they should go through ALL of my posts and show me the error of my ways.
There is very little that is threatening nor steps out of my self defined box.
Most could be considered more an FYI .
Show me ONE POST where I said anything like "LEDS are the bomb" or one where I denigrated halides with the one exception that those large reflectors are ugly.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyways.
BTW congratulations. Do you know how hard it is to get 30 plus people to thumbs up a comment on a forum?
Maybe you need to modify your style
I swear you work for Hamilton.
BTW since this is from a vendor and using your criteria..it is all lies and marketing.
Adaptation sometimes takes months, depending on how long you had those corals, and the whole system, under other type of light. It doesn't work fast. Just put in your mind that the corals will need approximately the same intensity you were having from your LEDs to start the adaptation process, then increase. It's basically impossible to offer the same intensity if you can't control with the halides. So you will need to raise the fixture to decrease intensity and at the same time offer a very short period of time for them to adjust. It's a very slow process.Yeah, i went from T5 to 14k 250w MH on my 40G. Everything was groovy although hammer and frogspawn were stressed (7hr light cycle, 8-9 inches off the water. Clove polyps were hurting, likewise anacropora. i has a beautiful purple monti cap that died within a coupleafter 4 months under MH things were just kinda blah.
2 weeks ago I switched back to T5 and sent a water sample out for a ICP test. I’m wondering if the issues stem from water quality versus lighting. It thought I’d try lower light levels and see what happens. If the test comes back with bad reading I might throw the MH back on...some of the encrusting corals thrived, likewise birdsnest...and my preference has always been MH although I’m worried about frying coral. Last time I used MH was 15 years ago on a 75G...everything thrived And grew like weeds.
Also lost a number of SPS. I’m wondering if it’s because all the frags are aquaculture under LED, generation over generation, and just not accustomed to par ranging from 250-600?
the LFS says I’m cooking my tank... hence my issues, maybe, but 15-20 years ago halides were the go to...and I never even though of trying a PAR meter. I sometimes wonder if LFS just have never had experience with halides. Lame IMO, as undoubtedly, they are the best light source.
And.. since going back to T5 ph dropped, big time. kinda bummed, I really want the MH back on. Maybe I’ll give it another go tomorrow.