Misinformation in the Reefing Hobby

livinlifeinBKK

5000 Club Member
View Badges
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
5,059
Reaction score
4,624
Location
Bangkok
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Very much of the true misinformation we see in the hobby stems from misunderstanding or misapplication of scientific studies not intended to apply to our tiny little closed environments. Many times, advice from a reliable source is better. I'll agree it can be hard to pinpoint that source though.
You have to be able to read and interpret the scientific studies carefully to understand whether or not the information will apply...I'd say even more "misinformation" comes from what works for one person you may consider reliable but won't work for you for whatever unknown reason
 

ReefGeezer

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Nov 9, 2009
Messages
1,941
Reaction score
2,798
Location
Wichita, KS
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
You have to be able to read and interpret the scientific studies carefully to understand whether or not the information will apply...I'd say even more "misinformation" comes from what works for one person you may consider reliable but won't work for you for whatever unknown reason
"Ya gotta know what ya don't know". I am not capable of gleaning the needed information when I have no background knowledge to help me put it in context. I prefer to read advice from people in the hobby and apply knowledge about my own system and ask dumb questions to provide context and clarify my understanding. All the better if those people are also scientists. I've made bad decisions a few times. That's on me though, not the person who gave me the advice. I am still better off than if I tried to implement some process I don't fully understand based of studies of things not directly related to my reef tank.
 

livinlifeinBKK

5000 Club Member
View Badges
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
5,059
Reaction score
4,624
Location
Bangkok
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
"Ya gotta know what ya don't know". I am not capable of gleaning the needed information when I have no background knowledge to help me put it in context. I prefer to read advice from people in the hobby and apply knowledge about my own system and ask dumb questions to provide context and clarify my understanding. All the better if those people are also scientists. I've made bad decisions a few times. That's on me though, not the person who gave me the advice. I am still better off than if I tried to implement some process I don't fully understand based of studies of things not directly related to my reef tank.
I can't say i disagree with most of that except that people should accept that if they gave you bad advice they partially bear some of the responsibility as well. Also while i agree you should never try to implement a process or plan you don't fully understand, that goes for advice you don't fully understand as well as scientific studies. How do you know you wouldn't have been better off following scientific studies as long as you took the time to understand them and their context?
 

Randy Holmes-Farley

Reef Chemist
View Badges
Joined
Sep 5, 2014
Messages
61,480
Reaction score
56,421
Location
Arlington, Massachusetts, United States
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
ReefGeezer hit it on the head. There is a very big difference between misinformation and information you don’t agree with.

The hobby is loaded with both, however.
 

Slocke

Wrasse Nerd
View Badges
Joined
Feb 3, 2022
Messages
4,572
Reaction score
15,329
Location
Atlanta
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Off the top of my head:
  1. You need an algae eating fish. - You definitely don't and there are much more reliable algae eaters.
  2. Tangs and Foxface are fully reef safe. - They both are a risk to many types of corals as are most "herbivorous" fish.
  3. You need to buy a massive (1-2 per gallon) CUC all at once - This one really annoys me as it is just sellers trying to oversell something. Maybe a really high nutrient system might have that many snails but adding all at once can cause a big die off and potentially a tank crash. CUC should be added gradually.
  4. Canister filters don't work in saltwater. - They work exactly the same as for freshwater. Not as good as a sump but no ones ever claimed that. Watch everyday aquarist for proof.
 

areefer01

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Jun 28, 2021
Messages
2,071
Reaction score
2,124
Location
Ca
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
What are some things you consider to be misinformation in this hobby?

I’m fighting a tank crash right now because I got lazy with my tank. I think this is ultimately due to overcomplicating things that I hear people say are necessary on YouTube, on these forums, or online.

For example?
 

davidcalgary29

2500 Club Member
View Badges
Joined
Nov 24, 2020
Messages
2,667
Reaction score
3,304
Location
Peace River, Alberta
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
1. You need a beautiful mixed reef setup in order to have a successful tank.
2. FOWLRs are ugly.
3. You need heaters in your aquarium.
4. Your fish will not thrive with homemade foods.
5. You should have no nuisance algae in your tank, because it's ugly.
6. High nitrates are a sign of the apocalypse.
 

Randy Holmes-Farley

Reef Chemist
View Badges
Joined
Sep 5, 2014
Messages
61,480
Reaction score
56,421
Location
Arlington, Massachusetts, United States
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
The misinformation that irks me the most is provided by companies about their own products. If you cannot get that right, you have no business remaining in business.
 

ReefGeezer

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Nov 9, 2009
Messages
1,941
Reaction score
2,798
Location
Wichita, KS
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
How do you know you wouldn't have been better off following scientific studies as long as you took the time to understand them and their context?
That's my point. I can't ask dumb questions of those studies to clarify my understanding. It is not about taking the time. I know that I do not have the background knowledge necessary to properly understand without some help. No amount of time will make that any better. I will stipulate that I have learned a lot about who to ask or pay attention to over the years. Some are scientists, some are very experienced hobbyists. I do read studies by the way, but I need help from the aforementioned people to understand them. If that is part of the research process, then maybe we agree.
 

livinlifeinBKK

5000 Club Member
View Badges
Joined
May 31, 2020
Messages
5,059
Reaction score
4,624
Location
Bangkok
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
That's my point. I can't ask dumb questions of those studies to clarify my understanding. It is not about taking the time. I know that I do not have the background knowledge necessary to properly understand without some help. No amount of time will make that any better. I will stipulate that I have learned a lot about who to ask or pay attention to over the years. Some are scientists, some are very experienced hobbyists. I do read studies by the way, but I need help from the aforementioned people to understand them. If that is part of the research process, then maybe we agree.
I do agree.
 

YOYOYOReefer

Well-Known Member
View Badges
Joined
Dec 9, 2021
Messages
944
Reaction score
648
Location
bloomington il
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
I like it when people talk about overskimming.. like its even possible..

or better yet how their "controller " saved thier tank.. sorry if you set your tank up so if one controller fails your whole system could crash.. then its only preventing it daily till it eventually fails.

Also people that think a big needlewheel is better than a real beckett skimmer or tall venturi.. .are obviously people who have never used such gear... want to adjust your skimmer all the time, get a needlewheel, want it to just work without constantly fussing get a beckett or a venturi like a lifereef.
 

bakbay

Well-Known Member
View Badges
Joined
Sep 1, 2022
Messages
804
Reaction score
928
Location
Newport Beach
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
From my perspective, misinformation is simply just...information - and will be treated as such. I don't accept them as facts and apply them directly to my tank. Given the "information" I will use those as data points and methodically form hypothesis and apply them to my tank. Each tank is different and that's what makes this hobby interesting & challenging at the same time. What works for me may not work for yours. I'm very much data-driven but more importantly, it's my data for my tank.

"Without data you're just another person with an opinion" -- W. Edwards Deming
 

ReefGeezer

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Nov 9, 2009
Messages
1,941
Reaction score
2,798
Location
Wichita, KS
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
I like it when people talk about overskimming.. like its even possible..

or better yet how their "controller " saved thier tank.. sorry if you set your tank up so if one controller fails your whole system could crash.. then its only preventing it daily till it eventually fails.

Also people that think a big needlewheel is better than a real beckett skimmer or tall venturi.. .are obviously people who have never used such gear... want to adjust your skimmer all the time, get a needlewheel, want it to just work without constantly fussing get a beckett or a venturi like a lifereef.
Interesting thread to choose to post that information.
 

Randy Holmes-Farley

Reef Chemist
View Badges
Joined
Sep 5, 2014
Messages
61,480
Reaction score
56,421
Location
Arlington, Massachusetts, United States
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
From my perspective, misinformation is simply just...information - and will be treated as such. I don't accept them as facts and apply them directly to my tank. Given the "information" I will use those as data points and methodically form hypothesis and apply them to my tank. Each tank is different and that's what makes this hobby interesting & challenging at the same time. What works for me may not work for yours. I'm very much data-driven but more importantly, it's my data for my tank.

"Without data you're just another person with an opinion" -- W. Edwards Deming

There is plenty of provably wrong misinformation. It isn’t all just data and opinions.

If I said it is only 37 miles from Boston to Seattle and I can walk it in 2 days, that is unqualified misinformation.

Brightwell pH Boost + claiming that the hydroxide in it boosts pH and not alkalinity is that sort of misinformation.
 
OP
OP
Ocean’s Piece

Ocean’s Piece

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Mar 10, 2021
Messages
1,714
Reaction score
1,366
Location
Planet Earth
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
1. The notion of only being able to keep certain livestock after a predetermined amount of time. Ex: wait a year to keep anemones.

2. Expensive equipment will keep your tank pristine and algae free.

3. Mandarin dragonets require a massive tank with TONS of live rock and a refugium, PLUS constant stocking of pods because OnLy the Biota ones are trained to eat frozen foods.
Completely agree with #2 IME. Especially those heaters.
Been reefing since the 90s and what has worked for me is keep it simple. For me that means let the biology do the heavy lifting. I have a respectable amount of live rock and sand in the display and sump. My filter media is floss and I use activated carbon, both in an area of high flow that I change weekly. I do a 5% - 10% weekly water change with tap water but ours is good.

I keep soft coral, a few LPS and have ornamental macroalgae to take up nutrients given off by my fish. I have no skimmer, no reactors, and no controllers. It's an easy simple system but it is nice and works for me.
IMG_20230112_153219654.jpg
And even simple setups like that look amazing. I was chasing a setup I didn’t want for the longest time. Now I’m letting the corals I don’t like die in this tank die off (while that does sound bad, I am doing something about it) and keeping the softies I love.
I actually started a similar thread a while back which wasn't welcomed by many. Seems taking responsibility for your advice isn't very alluring to many people.
interesting, going to read up on it. There’s a very narrow view of success in this hobby and a lot of information out there that only applies to a group of people who want and can be dedicated to that way or success.
ReefGeezer hit it on the head. There is a very big difference between misinformation and information you don’t agree with.
yes, and the latter is what I ultimately meant. I advice could be good or bad for your tank. My point is just when companies, people, or websites claim or make an implication that there’s a universal way and if you do it differently then it’s not right.
 

ElementReefer

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Dec 20, 2022
Messages
296
Reaction score
332
Location
Cincinnati
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
A few I have noticed:

-Hanna checkers are superior to color charts like Salifert. I can run my Hanna 5 times in a row on the same sample and get 5 different numbers, outside of their official margin of error.

-“Natural” remedies are preferable to “artificial” ones. An aquarium is an artificial environment. The best remedy is the one that works for your system, and for you.
 

areefer01

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Jun 28, 2021
Messages
2,071
Reaction score
2,124
Location
Ca
Rating - 0%
0   0   0
Since we are all here talking about misinformation in the reefing hobby shouldn't coral names be at the top of the list?

Bubblebath unicorn
Pearlberry
Holy grail

List goes on, and on.
 

Pajama party: Do you watch your fish at night?

  • Yes, I regularly watch my fish at night.

    Votes: 75 42.6%
  • Yes, I occasionally watch my fish at night.

    Votes: 73 41.5%
  • No, I don’t watch my fish at night.

    Votes: 24 13.6%
  • Other.

    Votes: 4 2.3%
Back
Top