My 40 gallon recife build

[kingranch2003]

I, too, would like to offer help, help of a less subtle, let's say more Sicilian nature.

 

[Red_Beard]

Biota and several others add an additive to neutralize ammonia, if you drip acclimate them, this dilutes the additive and the ammonia rapidly increases which can kill the fish. If ordering online, find out if they add anything or if the water contains copper. Most places say to just temp acclimate, take fish out of bag and toss them in. Well, not actually toss... but, use a net, scoop them and lower them in to their new glass prison!! <evil laugh>

That is a serious and valid point, even if there were no added chemicals. The reason ammonia isn't an issue in the bag is that the fish respirates co2 which drives down pH. The toxicity of ammonia is directly related to pH, so the fish will look fine, but then you open the bag to drip acclimate it, the pH of the bag goes up with the air exchange now available and now you could be dealing with ammonia poisoning. Shipped fish would be good to know the salinity of the bag, then you can get some fresh water that matches temp acc them both and flop the fish into a container of clean sg matching water to drip them up to your tank's sg.

 

[kingranch2003]

Fish are here! @TheNative192 you were right. The salinity was low. Im.slowly raining it. I believe it was a big enough difference to cause some harm.

 

[kingranch2003]

That is a serious and valid point, even if there were no added chemicals. The reason ammonia isn't an issue in the bag is that the fish respirates co2 which drives down pH. The toxicity of ammonia is directly related to pH, so the fish will look fine, but then you open the bag to drip acclimate it, the pH of the bag goes up with the air exchange now available and now you could be dealing with ammonia poisoning. Shipped fish would be good to know the salinity of the bag, then you can get some fresh water that matches temp acc them both and flop the fish into a container of clean sg matching water to drip them up to your tank's sg.

Wow good info Zack. So I probably shouldn't be using the air stone im using during the process?

 

[DarthRaiderBob]

John @kingranch2003 , I found out where all the cool kids are!! You mind if I hang out for a bit on your thread brother?

I mean of course, where else would I, I mean we be?

 

[kingranch2003]

@@JoJosReef Buy me!!

https://www.corals.com/product/lobophyllia-symphyllia-indo-super-ultra-rainbow-blue-video-inside/

And me!!
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[kingranch2003]

I mean of course, where else would I, I mean we be?

Tell him like it is Bob!!

 

[kingranch2003]

Biota and several others add an additive to neutralize ammonia, if you drip acclimate them, this dilutes the additive and the ammonia rapidly increases which can kill the fish. If ordering online, find out if they add anything or if the water contains copper. Most places say to just temp acclimate, take fish out of bag and toss them in. Well, not actually toss... but, use a net, scoop them and lower them in to their new glass prison!! <evil laugh>

Ugh I just saw this Rock... Oh well the salinity was so far off mine, Ive been dripping them

 

[TheNative192]

Ugh I just saw this Rock... Oh well the salinity was so far off mine, Ive been dripping them

Yeah I mean it should be fine. I would honestly do a fast drip acclimation then. Maybe complete it in 30 mins instead of 2 hours. It just depends. It would be very silly of them to ship the fish in low salinity water and add additives. I imagine they would have a lot of claims and losses. Every fish I have purchased online has always survived so my guess is they probably don’t have any additives.

 

[kingranch2003]

Yeah I mean it should be fine. I would honestly do a fast drip acclimation then. Maybe complete it in 30 mins instead of 2 hours. It just depends. It would be very silly of them to ship the fish in low salinity water and add additives. I imagine they would have a lot of claims and losses. Every fish I have purchased online has always survived so my guess is they probably don’t have any additives.

Good point. I supposed you have to pick low salinity or additives as a seller. Im coming up close to 30 mins im at 1.022

 

[TheNative192]

Good point. I supposed you have to pick low salinity or additives as a seller. Im coming up close to 30 mins im at 1.022

I would speed it up. I usually would "drip acclimate" my fish in 30 minutes from online. It was much faster than a drip but it is what it is since Ammonia could be a concern. I would add like a cup of tank water every five minutes or like 15% total water & try to complete it in an hour max

 

[tbrown]

No worries. He turned me down at $1,500 which I think is even a bit more than what its worth. I may just get it locally at my LFS or order it online at some point. I am not in a rush for it. It honestly will make me feel better to get the warranty with something of that size. Innovative Marine also offered a $300 gift card to algae barn if I ordered it today which I am considering. I may wait though we shall see. He has it listed only for a week or so but I Imagine he is not going to get many offers when its listed at 2k and the tank costs 2.1k.

I'd say leave it. Brand new but out of the box isn't retail pricing. Clearance price might be 1300 or 1400. Buy new or buy clearance, don't buy someone else's "treasure"?

 

[tbrown]

He’s high.

It won’t sell unless he finds a fool.

Did you tell him about the $300 gift card offer?

That's likely what he did - bought it for $2100, got the gift card, now trying to g t his money back so his wife doesn't kill him.

 

[Red_Beard]

Wow good info Zack. So I probably shouldn't be using the air stone im using during the process?

that is a hard maybe. if they are in good water, then yes, if they are in stinky garbage water that you didn't change out, then it might accelerate the ammonia toxicity.

 

[JoJosReef]

That is a serious and valid point, even if there were no added chemicals. The reason ammonia isn't an issue in the bag is that the fish respirates co2 which drives down pH. The toxicity of ammonia is directly related to pH, so the fish will look fine, but then you open the bag to drip acclimate it, the pH of the bag goes up with the air exchange now available and now you could be dealing with ammonia poisoning. Shipped fish would be good to know the salinity of the bag, then you can get some fresh water that matches temp acc them both and flop the fish into a container of clean sg matching water to drip them up to your tank's sg.

This is what I always do. Have water ready at approximately the expected bag salinity and heated to 78. Temp the shipping bag, quickly confirm salinity, and transfer the fish to the fresh salinity-matched saltwater. Then start drip acclimating.

 

[JoJosReef]

@@JoJosReef Buy me!!

https://www.corals.com/product/lobophyllia-symphyllia-indo-super-ultra-rainbow-blue-video-inside/

And me!!
https://www.corals.com/product/scolymia-australia-super-ultra-blue-video-inside/

I already have a lobo and sym coming Feb 6th! Have to see what room is left afterwards.

 

[JoJosReef]

Yeah I mean it should be fine. I would honestly do a fast drip acclimation then. Maybe complete it in 30 mins instead of 2 hours. It just depends. It would be very silly of them to ship the fish in low salinity water and add additives. I imagine they would have a lot of claims and losses. Every fish I have purchased online has always survived so my guess is they probably don’t have any additives.

Honestly, this is why I appreciate vendors like Biota. They send their fish in 1.026sg water. Just temp acclimate them and drop them into the tank. I pour 90-95% of the bag water down the drain and dump the fish right into the acclimation box--no need to use a net, that's just silly (if your bio filter can't handle a small volume if bag water, that's a problem in my opinion).

 

[kingranch2003]

I already have a lobo and sym coming Feb 6th! Have to see what room is left afterwards.

Oh that's right! Symphyllia are awesome corals. I love the colors and unique growth patterns. I had a purple, green, and gold one that looked like a Mardi gras float lol. I killed it because I was a noob back then

 

[kingranch2003]

Honestly, this is why I appreciate vendors like Biota. They send their fish in 1.026sg water. Just temp acclimate them and drop them into the tank. I pour 90-95% of the bag water down the drain and dump the fish right into the acclimation box--no need to use a net, that's just silly (if your bio filter can't handle a small volume if bag water, that's a problem in my opinion).

Yep. Im totally with you on that.

 

[kingranch2003]

I would speed it up. I usually would "drip acclimate" my fish in 30 minutes from online. It was much faster than a drip but it is what it is since Ammonia could be a concern. I would add like a cup of tank water every five minutes or like 15% total water & try to complete it in an hour max

That's almost exactly how mine went. I may have been closer to 40 mins.