My Experience Raising pH

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I wanted to share my experience raising my pH and show my the use of Soda Lime granules in a C02 Scrubber. I have provided a summary at the end of this post for those that want to skip the explanation of my journey and go straight to my findings!

Background
I have been keeping reef aquariums for many years and have always been fairly successful with coral growth to the point were I needed to frag corals continually. Well, that was until I moved to a different part of the UK and setup a brand new system. For nearly two years, although the corals I have kept have grown, I have never managed the growth I once had and have battled with hair algae. The latter point is for another thread!

Before I explain my experiences, here are some details on water parameters and dosage -
Aquarium water volume 185l (47.5 US gallons)
Alkalinity: 7.5 - 8.0 dKH
Calcium: 450-480
Nitrate: 3-5
Phosphate: 0 (Salifert kit but this later turned out to not be true and was more 0.1)
Magnesium: 1380 - 1425
Salt: Reef Crystals
Kalkwasser dosage: 2l per week (0.52 US gallons)
Calcium/Alkalinity dosage: None, water changes kept these at the levels listed above
Magnesium dosage 1 spoonful of BIO Magnesium every week / every other week
Water Changes: 20l (5.28 US gallons) per week

How I found out I have a pH problem
A couple of months ago, I brought an Apex controller which although is not quite the Apex controller you guys in the USA receive (that is also for another thread to vent the frustration us non-US "customers" have with Neptune!), it did allow me to start monitoring pH correctly. As soon as I configured the Apex, I knew I had a pH problem and to my amazement and concern, my pH was not only low, it struggled to reach 8.00 on a good day. I had recently been using a Salifert pH test kit but this was not that obvious what my pH was and I was only testing at a point in time and never during the night when pH is obviously at its lowest. The Apex quickly showed the lows and the not so highs of my pH

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I immediately considered the C02 level in the house. It is probably worth mentioning the type of house I live in and why I first thought it could be C02. The house is 200 year old cottage constructed with 3ft think stone walls. As the UK is not known for its warm weather, we have fitted the house with triple glassed windows so with 3 people and 2 dogs living in the small cottage, it was a good bet that we had locked in some C02 with little ventilation. I therefore immediately put the windows on lock so they were open just slightly (in the room where the aquarium was located). This certainly made a difference but I still struggled to reach a pH much over 8.00 and on less windy nights, the fresh air hardly made its way into the house with the pH dropping below 7.70. Also, leaving the windows like this is not a long term solution as it could become quite cold in the winter months.
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The next step was to attempt to link the air intake from the skimmer to pull air in from the outside. As mentioned previously, my walls are 3ft thick so I didn't fancy drilling a hole through these walls! Luckily, the reef aquarium is upstairs so I took a different approach. I drilled a hole into the loft and installed a 15mm (approx 1/2") tube into the loft placing the inlet of the pipe in the eves that lets in air to aerate the loft. I thought this would be the silver bullet and I started to see my pH raise as high as 8.06 but I was still surprised to see it dropping below 7.9 at night even with my windows slightly open. These drops were on days where the wind was low, but even so, the pH only hit 8.06 on a good day so this still was not as high as I would like.

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So I brought some Soda Lime granules and converted an old DI resin cartridge into a C02 scrubber and connected it to my skimmer. I use a Tunze 9012 skimmer which pulls in 400l/h of air. On May 12th, after a week running air from the loft, I installed the C02 scrubber still pulling air in from the loft and within just a few hours, my pH started to raise way beyond anything I had seen before. In the first 12 hours running the C02 scrubber the pH reached a high of 8.17. What impressed me further was that during that night, it dropped to just 8.10. Even more surprising, the following day, it continued to climb to 8.2 during the following day/night so I had to reduce my kalkwasser dosage from 500ml dosed throughout the night/early morning to 260ml just to ensure the pH did night rise too high!
As to be expected, the first day my pH climbed to over 8.1, my alkalinity and calcium started to drop so I started dosing daily. In the past, I rarely had to dose and my water changes were enough to keep these in check.

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The next test I did was to have the C02 scrubber pulling air from the outside (via the loft) and closed the windows where the aquarium is located. That evening, I noticed an immediate drop in pH which continued through the night even with an increase kalkwaser dosing to attempt to prevent this. Even dosing 480ml of kalkwasser during the night did not prevent pH from dropping and I cannot evaporate any more water to increase the dosing further.
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I have opened one of the windows slightly and am not seeing the lows during the night anymore.
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Summary
  • Kalkwasser dosing during the night struggled to prevent drops in pH at night
  • Opening windows to allow air into the room is a must but this alone still did not raise my pH a great deal
  • Routing the skimmer to pull in the air from the outside does make a difference but was still not enough to maintain a pH constantly above 8.1
  • Using Soda Lime granules in a C02 scrubber not only boost the pH, it maintained the pH between 8.1 - 8.2 with the windows also open slightly
  • Dosing kalkwasser once my pH was between 8.1 - 8.2 maintained and boosted the pH higher to the point I needed to reduce my dosing of kalkwasser
  • Alkalinity and calcium needed to be dosed daily once pH reached 8.1 and above, something I have never had to do
  • C02 scrubber and pulling air in from the outside will still not keep my pH above 8.1 at night so the Windows also need to left slightly open to achieve this
  • I certainly have high levels of C02 in my house, something I need to address
Although I do not have a C02 tester, I feel I have identified a C02 buildup in the house which is not good. I am now looking into installing a "Positive Input Ventilation" (PIV) unit which slowly pushes air from the loft into the house. This is fine in the UK where the air in the loft will be cool but maybe not so good in hotter climates. I am now 9 days into using the C02 scrubber and have noticed the Soda Lime granules changing colour and my pH began to drop below 8.1 last night so I will give it one more day and replace the granules. I have read that it burns through the first Soda Line quite quickly but less so after a while so I will update this thread with how often I end up replacing Soda Lime.

I hope the above is useful to someone

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I am now 9 days into using the C02 scrubber and have noticed the Soda Lime granules changing colour and my pH began to drop below 8.1 last night so I will give it one more day and replace the granules.

The soda line will deplete much more slowly if used in humid air. You can extend the life considerably by putting a DIY humidifier in front of your soda lime reactor, there are a few threads describing that if you search around (basically just a container partially filled with water and with inlet/outlet tubing for the air to pass over the water and get humidified before it reaches the soda lime). Others have had good success pulling air directly from the skimmer via some tubing that runs from the top of the collection cup to the soda lime reactor. This has two advantages: first, the air will be humid, and second, it has already been depleted of CO2 (you're basically feeding scrubbed air into the skimmer and then re-feeding it back to the reactor).
 
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Another update on maintaining my pH. While I was experimenting with soda lime (which I am still running 24/7), I introduced two part dosing as per instructions from Randy -
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php

By timing the two part dosing to kick in straight after my kalkwasser dosing is finished and again before the kalkwasser dosing starts, I can now maintain my daily pH generally above 8.20 during the 24 hours of the day. What I have noticed is that if I keep my Alkalinity mostly above 9DKH, the pH does not move too much. If I let it drop to the low 8DKH (as seen on June 1st and 2nd), my pH does start to drop below 8.10. Also, before I started dosing two part, I was getting through a lot of Magnesium even with my Calcium reading 450ppm. Since dosing the two part, I have not added an Magnesium and the mag level stays around 1380. @Randy Holmes-Farley is this because I now have a continual supply of Calcium?
Consider I started with pH levels of 7.70, I am pretty happy with the results so far :-)
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To maintain these pH levels I dose the following schedule. Note I ensure the Calcium Chloride dosing and the Soda Ash dosing are 5 minutes apart from each other. Also, in between the morning dosing and evening dosing, the intensity of my lights are high which maintains the pH levels during these times without dosing. Lastly, I am finding that the Soda Lime granules in the C02 scrubber are lasting longer even through I have not added any moisture solution to the scrubber so it appears after changing the first batch of granules, the second are lasting a lot longer which is what I have heard from others.

19:30 - 05:30 - 23ml of Kalwasser every 30 minutes

05:35 - 09:00 - 9.5ml of Calcium Chloride
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05:40 - 09:05 - 9.5ml of Soda Ash
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15:30 - 19:25 - 9.5ml of Calcium Chloride
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15:35 - 19:30 - 9.5ml of Soda Ash
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Thank you for sharing all this. It's an excellent read for those struggling with pH problems. [emoji227]
You are more than welcome and I hope it helps someone one this forum as many have helped me.
I have to say, monitoring my pH 24/7 using my Apex led me to realise how unstable I have been running my reef by dosing kalkwasser just one night a week, not monitoring Alkalinity anywhere near enough, not realising the sudden jump in pH I get with water changes. Small dosing of kalkwasser and introducing two part dosing over long periods has changed all that added to my C02 scrubber and piping air from outside
 

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I agree with running the line back to the top of the skimmer. It’s about the most efficient use of soda lime!

That and installing a bypass controlled by your APEX as explained by Bulk Reef Supply. I went from 4-week changes to swapping media ~every 11-weeks with just those two changes alone.

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Since dosing the two part, I have not added an Magnesium and the mag level stays around 1380. @Randy Holmes-Farley is this because I now have a continual supply of Calcium?


Real magnesium depletion is not going to be more than about 1/10th of the calcium depletion rate, and can be much lower.

With a typical magnesium kit, you might or might not reproducibly see a 15 ppm change, and that would only come about after a 150 ppm consumption of calcium. In many tanks that is going to be a couple of weeks.

So don't ever expect to detect day to day changes in magnesium, unless you dose a big bunch at once. :)
 
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Just wanted to show how effective the Soda Lime granules are in the C02 scrubber and although Kalkwasser and Soda Ash do help with pH, its the Soda Lime granules doing the heavy lifting! As you can see, up until the 13th June, my pH is being maintained really well between 8.10 and 8.20 (please see my schedule dosing in a previous post). Thereafter, the Soda lime granules are becoming exhausted and start dropping below 8.10 at night and this is when I know to ditch the old granules and replace with new. I left if for a couple of extra nights just to confirm the pH drop was not being caused by something else. I replaced the granules on the morning of the 16th and you can see an instant climb in pH. The granules lasted 2.5 weeks and although I am happy with that, I am going to explore adding some humidity to the air intake to extend this further.
Average pH of 8.15 is not bad considering it was 7.90 when I started this journey. My target is to have an average of 8.20.
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@Want2BS8ed , do you have some pictures and information on the bypass you setup?

Sorry for the late reply #Clownfishy.
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Nothing original, BRS explained it well in their video including the valve part # from McMaster-Carr.

Again, I have been extremely pleased with both the positive impact on pH as well as the longevity of the media since making the change.

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@Want2BS8ed, many thanks for the picture. Did you notice a slight reduction in pH when you connected the air to the skimmer? I am just wondering if air only being pulled from outside and then through the scrubber has a lower C02 level than air being pulled through the scrubber and from the skimmer? I am just running another test to see how long my media lasts directly through the scrubber but will then give your solution a go.
 
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Just a quick update. I want to report back so people can see how long the media lasts when just pulling air from outside and through the C02 scrubber. It seems to be approx 2.5 weeks but as I now have my pH constantly above 8.30 since last changing the Soda Lime granules, I will report back as soon as I start seeing a drop. So far, I am 8 days with the new media and no drop has yet been observed. To be fair, it has been quite warm in the UK so the windows in the house are open far more than normal. This may explain why my aquarium seems to stay above a pH of 8.30 rather than a pH of 8.15-8.20 I have observed on before replacing the granules previously. Or, it could be that as an aquarium is constantly provided with low C02 levels, the pH in the aquarium improves over time. We will see as I continually post the results after each change of granules.
One last observation, my skimmer is very quiet and you cannot hear it drawing any air now that is being pulled from outside :-)

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