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I'm new to Reef 2 Reef so thanks for letting me join.

So first a small detail on yrs since I had 1st Saltwater. Almost 30 yrs ago and it was doing well, but was not a Reef. It crashed and I was done.

Jump ahead 2017 I finally got nerve to give shot at another tank. Reef only. So I bought $2500 100 gallon used tank, and few fish, like Clowns, Damsels...sturdy fish that could take the high levels.
I guess that was my first mistake. Had an Excalibur Protein Skimmer which most Reefers never heard of. The was parts were not what they were. PVC Pipes and Sump, it definitely was not made correctly.
So I waited the time of 6 weeks being. Live and Substrate started the cycle. I thought should get a better Skimmer. The SCA-303 was perfect and was doing well, then I decided to jump to a Bubble Magus Curve 5. 1 problem appeared. They sent me wrong type. Here plug are A and B. A is 2 prongs and B is the 2 flat one round. Hong Kong just has 1 which all were flat, but that was fixed. Anyway This more about the tank than anything else and since then the Nitrates were over peak, which makes the Thread more of Mystery than anything else. Now 11 months in Nitrates have yet to diminish, well there has been a little change, everything else perfect was in line. So I asked some experts what I can do? Water change. For about 7 months now 15%, 10% and 20%. I knew dang good well this will raise the Ph, not good. I waited about a week and no Nitrate drop. So now I go get more expert advice. Nitrate Reducer, on a note here Nitrate Reducer only handles the Nitrates that are in your tank nothing else. Tried Failed. Vodka gave it a shot, Sugar as well nothing changed and I have 3 big Cleaners. The API Master Test Kit is for a mix reef and fish, but the API Reef Master is a little different, not much though. Tried another Test Kit Red Sea. Failed, and I'm stilling doing water changes. So I tried 1 more test and the awnser same as the other 2. Expert after Expert and no success, and what makes this more of a Mystery, is that none of my Anemones or Soft Coral has been damaged. That's head scratcher none are damage 1 more thing we would just hope would work. A Product call NITRATR. We followed akk step and still using because you can use them again, you just have to take them out after 3 or 4 days and put them in a small container in high saltwater. It has helped a little, but not what I expect. When I went diving with a friend he showed me the Great Barrier Reef and it is stunning, but the damage of dumping caused the Ban. He is helping reseed the Reef. So anyway he gave me a gift coming home and it was awesome. He gave me a Rainbow Bottom Anemone. That was to much I felt I needed to pay for so I gave him $1200. Anyway jumping off track. Anyway if I have tried everything under the sun then what is this tank not establishing? Everything I have and Experts failed. I really want to get it fixed, and not be a failure. So that is the Mystery. How after 11 months the Nitrates are still there. I hope someone could help solve this mystery. I'm glad I joined and I think I might be able to find the answer here. Thanks
 

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Are you trying to get a zero nitrate level? If so that's virtually impossible. You'll have a zero ammonia and zero nitrite reading when tank is cycled but there will always be nitrate. Water changes are to bring it down but it will always be present. Depending on what you'll have in ur tank will determine how high it can go. I run a fish only tank and mine have been up to .50 and that's just fine.
 
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Yes I don't want them there are the Nitrates. $2500 for the tank. 11 months and over peak. The water changes are getting exhausting. My Last shot was NITRATR and it barely worked. As I stated I decided do get back in, but only reef. I have done everything. Any advice from any member would be much appreciated. I'm just out of answer that experts have told me to do. I got ripped on the tank but to not be established is mind possible. I have tried. I was told to come here because this forum has better ideas that might help me. Thanks for responding.
 

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#WelcometoR2R

If anyone can help the great people here can

I may have missed it but what are your numbers for the tank?
 
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Well I thank each member for trying to help me. Badfish619 I know all aquariums ha Nitrates, but not this after 11 months. R2R all test are at the bottom. When I did a water last week 25% I did the Test before and after. After a week I did the test Nothing changed. So these are the numbers R2R ask about. I'm exhausted and yet no invertebrates or soft coral have been affected. An Anemone can't take that much Nitrates the would just start digesting. The tank as as I is used and the sump is handmade. You know when I said a little over about 30 yrs ago my first tank as a 20 gallon regular tank. Some Anemones and fish. I think of an old quote from a movie and want to share. "It Has Become Appalling To Me That Our Technology Has Surpassed Our Humanity, I Think That Maybe Someday Our Humanity Will Catch Up With Our Technology." That spoke a lot to me, but it did not help with situation at hand. My very last option I forgot to add and apologise for that. I think the last ditch may be a Bio Reactor, but I'm not sure of what it could help with. I saw someone with an image of his with half LR and half Bio Balls in his sump. I tried that. So I have used every test give all information and if you need more I will gladly give to you. I would have to see any of you would say try the Bio Pellet Technic. I don't want to jump ahead. I just don't want to fail because besides $2500 I have also invested another $2000 and it's getting way out of hand. I won't quit that's not they way go. I was told to come to this forum by a friend, and he it's your best shot, but you have to help them if they help you. So with that I joined and I'm dang glad I did. So thanks for having me. Whatever you need on information I will gladly release. The more information I give the better chance I have of fixing this problem. It's really is getting depressing.

This API Master Kit
Ph 7.3, Ammonia

Ammonia 0

Nitrites 0 barely any if at all

Nitrates 140

Red Sea Nitrate over 64.oo

Salifert over 100
 
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Quick question.:

Are you using RODI (Reverse Osmosis Deionized) water, or are you using tap water?

If you are using tapwater, have you tested your tapwater to see what the nitrates are?

Absolutely Liquigen 5 stage. Sometimes it look like it's got this brown stuff in it. When I see that I do a small change. Do you think that's causing the doing the damage? If so I believe I have a tester but it checks for hard water. Temp. MG and 1 other thing. I can try to find it and find out what the readings are and then let you and everyone the numbers are.
 
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So rover ask me to test the tap water and the RO/DI. So here is the PPM For the Tap 150 in Mg 315. The RO/DI ppm was 4. I didn't get the mg. So thats the water test. So I hope this might start on a good path ,but I don't want to jump the gun.
 
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Quick question.:

Are you using RODI (Reverse Osmosis Deionized) water, or are you using tap water?

If you are using tapwater, have you tested your tapwater to see what the nitrates are?
Tap ppm 150 RO/DI 4. That's pretty good. So only other option is do I take a chance on a Bio Media Reactor?
 

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I was mostly trying to suss out if your tap water has nitrates in it; But if you are using a RODI system that would remove that from the equation.
 
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I was mostly trying to suss out if your tap water has nitrates in it; But if you are using a RODI system that would remove that from the equation.
Yeah. So all the test from API, Red Sea and Salifert all over peak. Let me ask you this this. Could I be getting false readings. I mean you know an Anemone can't take over peak because they start to just deteriorating. None of my soft corals are handling just fine. I mean I don't know, but if everything is looking and nothing is happening to soft corals and Anemones, could it be false readings. I'm just throwing that in to the equation.
 

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Hang in there. There got to be a solution that will present itself.

Few more question and observation. Ph is fairly low. Want to be at minimum 7.6/7.7. Are you dosing anything, also good flow and surface agitation help. The nitrate as you said are high. You mentioned trying several things. How long did you give each method a chance to work before switching. The TDS from Rodi should be 0 so it may be time for maintenance on that.

We’ll figure it out once all the peices are there
 

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Yeah. So all the test from API, Red Sea and Salifert all over peak. Let me ask you this this. Could I be getting false readings. I mean you know an Anemone can't take over peak because they start to just deteriorating. None of my soft corals are handling just fine. I mean I don't know, but if everything is looking and nothing is happening to soft corals and Anemones, could it be false readings. I'm just throwing that in to the equation.

Yes, you can get a false high nitrate reading if your tank is going through a mini-cycle. I noticed that you said your nitrites were almost zero. If nitrites are present in an 11 month old tank, then something has most likely caused the mini-cycle. And you can't get a true nitrate reading if there are nitrites present.

Just curious if your used tank came with old, used substrate and rock. That would also explain high nitrate levels.
 
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It's weird that all my inverts are healthy. I did 25 gallon last week before and after. 3 days later nothing changed. My friend told me about r2r. I'm not leaving even if we can solve this. I'm hanging because here the members are doing there best to solve this. Thanks
 

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It's weird that all my inverts are healthy. I did 25 gallon last week before and after. 3 days later nothing changed. My friend told me about r2r. I'm not leaving even if we can solve this. I'm hanging because here the members are doing there best to solve this. Thanks

Welcome to Reef 2 Reef, Jaiden

After your RO/DI you should be at 0, not 4 and put on a TDS meter on your RO/DI's unit.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/dual-inline-tds-meter-dm-1-hm-digital.html


Here's an article, hope it helps.
https://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/8/chemistry

Pay close attention to Randy's point #5 when you get that far down.
 
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I have reached the only conclusion on this issue. I appreciate everyone's support. Kind , Knowledgeable, and understanding. I'm not leaving the forum. I'm just down to my last attempt to try something. The possibility that 3 Test Kits could give me 3 false results. That like one in a billion, but possible. So here I will do a poll with yes or know, before I do this because every member has tried to he and truly appreciate every bit of advice you have given. Before I end this and put up the poll. This maybe funny but this was something that actually looked some else. Now only coming back to Reef Tanks I don't want many fish. I like soft coral and especially Green Mushroom Leather. Anyway I made an order. Well it arrived and what I saw scared the hell out of because I never seen. So I'm looking at this beast and I had to call the seller to find out what this is thing I ordered. He said it is a Sally Lightfoot, I know your laughing it's funny , but in my eyes freaked out. It's body without the legs and I kid you not. The body was the size of a quarter. That's pretty big. I'm a retired Exotic Animal Specialist and should not been freak out. Working in the National Zoo with mostly Poisonous Snakes and the Big Cats. This was a whole new experience for me. If you haven't seen it or have on you tube, and type Elephants Getting Drunk. It's the funniest thing to watching the Macaque Monkey stole the show. Anyway got off track again sorry. If you put an Abdomen you could call it the underwater Camel Spider. Looks just like one. So again I appreciate all the help and advice given. So A or B. This is the last ditch effort. Should I try Bio Pellets? I don't know how to start a poll I guess I will learn or some help. Should I Try Bio Pellets? A) Yes B) No
 

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I think this thread may be close to figuring out your issues.
I dont think you answered some key questions.
Did you buy the substrate new?(rocks and sand).....or did that come used? And if so did you rinse it?
I agree your RO/DI should be 0 ppm.
Test kit results look fine, ph is low as mentioned above. Different manufactuers will have different error levels and you will get different readings. Most likely close to eachother which is what im seeing so i would venture into other areas besides the test kit error.

So Ive gathered, youre 11 months in, cycle looks good @ 0 ammonia and nitrite.
What salt mix are you using?
Any clean up crew besides the sally lightfoot crab?
Is your tank setup with a sump? Hob filter? Canister?

We will figure out your issue but we will need more info!
 
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Sorry I was getting no answer. Yes I bought the Subtrate
 
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