Palytoxin Thread Apology.
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Brandon I gotta say all of your posts make me stop, think, and question how sure I am of palytoxin. There are trillions of types of bacteria and they are way more of an unknown than palytoxin so this definitely cannot be ruled out. Bacteria rules the world no doubt. I think the biggest take away though and what I have been saying for the beginning Is we can't guarantee anything. which paly it was if it was any paly at all.
Mellotang
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Glad Holy Smoke is on the mend
from what you’re describing it sounds like
You definitely had some sort of reaction to the aquarium. Wether or not it was paly toxin will be difficult to determine.
last week I cleaned a tank on Monday morning at 5am, big service, had to remove a ton of mulm n sponge from the sump, like a ton!! This tank also had a colony of ugly green paly/zoa polyps which I agitated.
fast forward 3 hrs... I stop home, feel tired so I lie down. All the sudden my stomach drops out so I run to the bathroom, sit down, feelight headed... wake up to my my wife knocking on the door asking if I’m ok?? I’m trying to figure out why im looking at the floor tile so close, I passed out.
she comes in n freaks because I look like death, drink a little water, crawl to my bed and didn’t leave for 2 days
couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep, didn’t want to move
felt it in my muscles, kidneys, rapid breathing, elevated pulse, metallic taste
I was down n out and I get exposed a lot
I was more Freaked thinking I brought covid into my house but it was most likely from the bacteria in the sump
I was in there heavy with cuts on my hands siphoning, cleaning...
point being there are a multitude of things that can mess you up in the reef
from what you’re describing it sounds like
You definitely had some sort of reaction to the aquarium. Wether or not it was paly toxin will be difficult to determine.
last week I cleaned a tank on Monday morning at 5am, big service, had to remove a ton of mulm n sponge from the sump, like a ton!! This tank also had a colony of ugly green paly/zoa polyps which I agitated.
fast forward 3 hrs... I stop home, feel tired so I lie down. All the sudden my stomach drops out so I run to the bathroom, sit down, feelight headed... wake up to my my wife knocking on the door asking if I’m ok?? I’m trying to figure out why im looking at the floor tile so close, I passed out.
she comes in n freaks because I look like death, drink a little water, crawl to my bed and didn’t leave for 2 days
couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep, didn’t want to move
felt it in my muscles, kidneys, rapid breathing, elevated pulse, metallic taste
I was down n out and I get exposed a lot
I was more Freaked thinking I brought covid into my house but it was most likely from the bacteria in the sump
I was in there heavy with cuts on my hands siphoning, cleaning...
point being there are a multitude of things that can mess you up in the reef
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kenchilada
Palytoxin Abuser
The palys have been evolving over the past few decades to fight humans and thwart collection efforts. Eventually the toxin will be so strong they will be able to kill divers in the ocean before they can collect them.
I guarantee you they’ll be outlawed not too long. Unable to own in fifteen states wow
am now guilty of hanging around a hot topic my innards told me to withdraw from, it’s the blinding by soft coral that hooked me what in the world did the eye dr. say? He would want to cite that/ write about it most assuredly in some journal one would hope
these docs just handle extremely rare zoonotic outlier events as yet another day at the office
am now guilty of hanging around a hot topic my innards told me to withdraw from, it’s the blinding by soft coral that hooked me what in the world did the eye dr. say? He would want to cite that/ write about it most assuredly in some journal one would hope
these docs just handle extremely rare zoonotic outlier events as yet another day at the office
How do we know we are not changing coral in our tanks to be more toxic? We are feeding a lot, providing a lot light, clean systems, control fighting with other predators, remove pests, etc. All the beautiful colors we are developing could also be toxicity...
On the topic of Dinos being excreted by coral - that part I am not buying. So many fish-only systems have them.
On the topic of Dinos being excreted by coral - that part I am not buying. So many fish-only systems have them.
Lol @Mellotang your case sounds more cut and dry like palytoxin than mine. neither one of us had metallic taste btw.
@brandon429 should I send out a sample to bionic or whatever his name is to run a bacteria test? will it shed any light?
@brandon429 should I send out a sample to bionic or whatever his name is to run a bacteria test? will it shed any light?
Mellotang
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I hope You understand Holy Smoke I was not trying to discount your experience and it does in fact like You had some sort of response to the aquarium
It also just seems there is an overwhelming sense of paranoia and panic on the forums
it can be anything from the TM pro shortage to the newest LED being hard to get or whatever BRS said last week
lots of hysteria
let’s relax and enjoy the hobby
It also just seems there is an overwhelming sense of paranoia and panic on the forums
it can be anything from the TM pro shortage to the newest LED being hard to get or whatever BRS said last week
lots of hysteria
let’s relax and enjoy the hobby
for The record
I try to steer clear of mushroom Juice at all times now!
I had an insane skin reaction to mushroom juice... I can only imagine getting it in your eye. And I was wearing gloves, little guy got me right at the glove edge.
This was funny thanks for the laugh and I know you meant absolutely no harm and were actually trying to help by saying don't worry you will be fine but regardless of the unknown cause palytoxin or not it was real and scary. My lungs still are jacked up.
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Palytoxin though discovered in the 1970s has poisoned people for a long time prior (Google the Hana 'taboo island' in Hawaii). Case reports of poisonings from aquariums have occurred since at least 2008 (and before). The reason it 'seems' to be more common now than in prior years (IMHO) is that there didn't use to be reef forums like this one. There was not an internet search available, more people are keeping corals now than 30 years ago - and more people are traveling to the tropics, IMHO. My guess is the main reason we hear about it is more people are keeping zoas.
Rmckoy
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I’ve been sprayed in the face by the purple/red mushrooms after 15 years ago
I try to steer clear of mushroom Juice at all times now!
those suckers can spit water pretty far
Mellotang
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went to ER on a Friday n the doc was like oh it’s pink eye don’t worry
if it’s not better by Monday follow up with ophthalmologist
he gave me some Numbing drops which I was grateful for because prior to that I was ready to remove my eyeball by hand. I can’t even describe the pain, it was next level
next day I could only see white out of that eye, thought maybe it was healing
Monday morning I went to ophthalmologist, he didnt know what was up but saw an infection in my cornea. I was on steroid drops for 24hrs a day, every half hour. It was rough but they stopped the infection.
when they scraped my cornea it came back as MRSA
there was a lot going on in my life at that time
I was a sanitation worker
I was young n naive
But I clearly remember getting shot in the eye with juice on Friday cleaning a tank then everything spiraled
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