That's pretty sarcastic.t’s not common though I realize everyone will have a friend of a friend now.
I'm not the only person on this forum who is friends with this person in real life.
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That's pretty sarcastic.t’s not common though I realize everyone will have a friend of a friend now.
Brandon I gotta say all of your posts make me stop, think, and question how sure I am of palytoxin. There are trillions of types of bacteria and they are way more of an unknown than palytoxin so this definitely cannot be ruled out. Bacteria rules the world no doubt. I think the biggest take away though and what I have been saying for the beginning Is we can't guarantee anything. which paly it was if it was any paly at all.how did they differentiate marinum infections from specific palytoxin in your friend Zalick / bacterial vs an assigned compound yet to be mentioned in an autopsy
it’s amazing how certain we are, its case closed, we just don’t require any blood tests or screenings or chromatographs or assays or genetic proofs. Case closed it is then. I’ve never had one friend that exhibited a zoonotic infection from a fish tank. It’s not common though I realize everyone will have a friend of a friend now.
we will now discount reef owners who got the legit flu and were cured with flu medicine, they owned a reef it was palytoxin.
The palys have been evolving over the past few decades to fight humans and thwart collection efforts. Eventually the toxin will be so strong they will be able to kill divers in the ocean before they can collect them.I have a question
in a hobby thats forty or so years old, why did all this begin about five years ago
how did we go so long with not one person at the local fish store mentioning issues with toxins
twenty years daily at the lfs, handing out crates of brown palythoids and not one customer feedback ever, not a single one, multiple cities
are any blood tests being used to prove paly toxin occurred, such as gas chromatography or are they using contextual diagnosis. I’m legit curious to know these details
I guess one possible answer could be today’s sourcing of reef materials brings in orders more palytoxin than in the past, that could explain something not occurring for forty years and then occurring in 2015 onward
the sand rinse thread is fifty pages of takedown cleaning, no issues, is there a risk in that action based on these new trends?
for The record
I try to steer clear of mushroom Juice at all times now!
I hope You understand Holy Smoke I was not trying to discount your experience and it does in fact like You had some sort of response to the aquarium
It also just seems there is an overwhelming sense of paranoia and panic on the forums
it can be anything from the TM pro shortage to the newest LED being hard to get or whatever BRS said last week
lots of hysteria
let’s relax and enjoy the hobby
Palytoxin though discovered in the 1970s has poisoned people for a long time prior (Google the Hana 'taboo island' in Hawaii). Case reports of poisonings from aquariums have occurred since at least 2008 (and before). The reason it 'seems' to be more common now than in prior years (IMHO) is that there didn't use to be reef forums like this one. There was not an internet search available, more people are keeping corals now than 30 years ago - and more people are traveling to the tropics, IMHO. My guess is the main reason we hear about it is more people are keeping zoas.I guess if there aren’t any blood tests avail for it the contextual clues are the best we have to go on. clearly it was serious no doubt I just wasn’t sure if they had tests for the toxin yet, they will pretty soon if not currently ill bet
I’ve been sprayed in the face by the purple/red mushrooms after 15 years agofor The record
I try to steer clear of mushroom Juice at all times now!
I guarantee you they’ll be outlawed not too long. Unable to own in fifteen states wow
am now guilty of hanging around a hot topic my innards told me to withdraw from, it’s the blinding by soft coral that hooked me what in the world did the eye dr. say? He would want to cite that/ write about it most assuredly in some journal one would hope
these docs just handle extremely rare zoonotic outlier events as yet another day at the office
This was funny thanks for the laugh and I know you meant absolutely no harm and were actually trying to help by saying don't worry you will be fine but regardless of the unknown cause palytoxin or not it was real and scary. My lungs still are jacked up.