Please help diagnose

[Jokareefer]

I have read through the other posts but am still unsure of the correct diagnosis and treatment.

Last night our Bicolour Dottyback died. Yesterday morning, It was lying on the bottom, breathing rapidly. No other visible signs of infection or illness. I took it out of the DT and into HT, but it died a 6-8 hours later.

This morning, our foxface seems to have white spots, possibly another, I forget its name, but both pictured.

Tank is only 4 months young. The second yellow fish, plus a Paupan Toby were introduced on Saturday. I did not QT them as all of our livestock is from the same place who apparently QT themselves. Rookie mistake, but we only have a small HT/QT and have been fine till now. There are 9 fish in total and 19 corals, mostly LPS.

Tank is Cade 2100, Capacity (Inhabitale): 887L / 234 gal, System Capacity (Total): 1069L / 282 gal. Sand substrate.

This is a link to the videos, It won't let me attach them.https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/qY2HnhjhkjHn

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have read through the other posts but am still unsure of the correct diagnosis and treatment.

Last night our Bicolour Dottyback died. Yesterday morning, It was lying on the bottom, breathing rapidly. No other visible signs of infection or illness. I took it out of the DT and into HT, but it died a 6-8 hours later.

This morning, our foxface seems to have white spots, possibly another, I forget its name, but both pictured.

Tank is only 4 months young. The second yellow fish, plus a Paupan Toby were introduced on Saturday. I did not QT them as all of our livestock is from the same place who apparently QT themselves. Rookie mistake, but we only have a small HT/QT and have been fine till now. There are 9 fish in total and 19 corals, mostly LPS.

Tank is Cade 2100, Capacity (Inhabitale): 887L / 234 gal, System Capacity (Total): 1069L / 282 gal. Sand substrate.

This is a link to the videos, It won't let me attach them.https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/qY2HnhjhkjHn

These are punctures wounds and appear to be from an urchin. Do you have an Urchin?
If not, would then be bite marks or mucus cones which have subsided. First mistake was no Quarantine. Although a store says QT, many will treat their system at 2.0 treatment level which is bare minimum and where the med takes effect.
ALWAYS ASSUME WHEN ACQUIRING A FISH THAT IT HAS SOMETHING AND DO YOUR OWN QUARANTINE FOE 14-21 DAYS
To be safe and with recent losses, QT all occupants and leave the display tank fishless(FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off and with occupants exposed, they too should go into quarantine. Run coppersafe at level 2.25 monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit and add aeration using airstone. Also Monitor ammonia level with a reliable test kit

 

[Jokareefer]

These are punctures wounds and appear to be from an urchin. Do you have an Urchin?
If not, would then be bite marks or mucus cones which have subsided. First mistake was no Quarantine. Although a store says QT, many will treat their system at 2.0 treatment level which is bare minimum and where the med takes effect.
ALWAYS ASSUME WHEN ACQUIRING A FISH THAT IT HAS SOMETHING AND DO YOUR OWN QUARANTINE FOE 14-21 DAYS
To be safe and with recent losses, QT all occupants and leave the display tank fishless(FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off and with occupants exposed, they too should go into quarantine. Run coppersafe at level 2.25 monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit and add aeration using airstone. Also Monitor ammonia level with a reliable test kit

Thanks for your reply. We dont have an Urchin. And have a very small (20l/5gallon) QT. will this be safe to house all 9 fish?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks for your reply. We dont have an Urchin. And have a very small (20l/5gallon) QT. will this be safe to house all 9 fish?

Likely will be an overload for this many fish however a rubermaid or rubbermaid type tub would suffice

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks for your reply. We dont have an Urchin. And have a very small (20l/5gallon) QT. will this be safe to house all 9 fish?

I just realized your in Aussie,. Other med you can use Aquaonis Oodinex which is a copper sulfate

 

[Jokareefer]

I just realized your in Aussie,. Other med you can use Aquaonis Oodinex which is a copper sulfate

Great, thank you. So you don't think it is a white spot? If it is bite marks or mucus cones, is this contagious? I've just done a search. Is mucus cone another word for ich/white spot?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Great, thank you. So you don't think it is a white spot? If it is bite marks or mucus cones, is this contagious? I've just done a search. Is mucus cone another word for ich/white spot?

Mucus cones often not

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I have read through the other posts but am still unsure of the correct diagnosis and treatment.

Last night our Bicolour Dottyback died. Yesterday morning, It was lying on the bottom, breathing rapidly. No other visible signs of infection or illness. I took it out of the DT and into HT, but it died a 6-8 hours later.

This morning, our foxface seems to have white spots, possibly another, I forget its name, but both pictured.

Tank is only 4 months young. The second yellow fish, plus a Paupan Toby were introduced on Saturday. I did not QT them as all of our livestock is from the same place who apparently QT themselves. Rookie mistake, but we only have a small HT/QT and have been fine till now. There are 9 fish in total and 19 corals, mostly LPS.

Tank is Cade 2100, Capacity (Inhabitale): 887L / 234 gal, System Capacity (Total): 1069L / 282 gal. Sand substrate.

This is a link to the videos, It won't let me attach them.https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/qY2HnhjhkjHn

The foxface is breathing faster than normal. Dottyback are really hardy, I’m surprised to see it be the first to die in a disease outbreak, but it’s possible I guess.

I could just see the one attached video, are the other fish breathing fast, especially the new Toby.

I’m suspecting Amyloodinium / velvet, although the spots on the foxface are not a symptom of that - just the rapid breathing.

Jay

 

[Jokareefer]

The foxface is breathing faster than normal. Dottyback are really hardy, I’m surprised to see it be the first to die in a disease outbreak, but it’s possible I guess.

I could just see the one attached video, are the other fish breathing fast, especially the new Toby.

I’m suspecting Amyloodinium / velvet, although the spots on the foxface are not a symptom of that - just the rapid breathing.

Jay

Thanks Jay. He is sleeping now and not breathing rapidly. The others all seem fine, everything seems happy. It's all very confusing. I think rather than stress them out and cause an outbreak, I may have to leave them to figure it out on their own and see how we go. There's no chance I'm going to catch them in a tank this size with all the hiding places, unless they are very unwell, I've not had luck catching any

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks Jay. He is sleeping now and not breathing rapidly. The others all seem fine, everything seems happy. It's all very confusing. I think rather than stress them out and cause an outbreak, I may have to leave them to figure it out on their own and see how we go. There's no chance I'm going to catch them in a tank this size with all the hiding places, unless they are very unwell, I've not had luck catching any

One thing to do at least is to ensure the tank has proper aeration, not just circulation. You need to have air bubbles breaking the surface tension of the water - protein skimmers do that, but if you don't have one, you should add an air stone to the tank. This will help offset some reasons why a fish might be breathing too fast.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have read through the other posts but am still unsure of the correct diagnosis and treatment.

Last night our Bicolour Dottyback died. Yesterday morning, It was lying on the bottom, breathing rapidly. No other visible signs of infection or illness. I took it out of the DT and into HT, but it died a 6-8 hours later.

This morning, our foxface seems to have white spots, possibly another, I forget its name, but both pictured.

Tank is only 4 months young. The second yellow fish, plus a Paupan Toby were introduced on Saturday. I did not QT them as all of our livestock is from the same place who apparently QT themselves. Rookie mistake, but we only have a small HT/QT and have been fine till now. There are 9 fish in total and 19 corals, mostly LPS.

Tank is Cade 2100, Capacity (Inhabitale): 887L / 234 gal, System Capacity (Total): 1069L / 282 gal. Sand substrate.

This is a link to the videos, It won't let me attach them.https://quickshare.samsungcloud.com/qY2HnhjhkjHn

These are punctures wounds and appear to be from an urchin. Do you have an Urchin?
If not, would then be bite marks or mucus cones which have subsided. First mistake was no Quarantine. Although a store says QT, many will treat their system at 2.0 treatment level which is bare minimum and where the med takes effect.
ALWAYS ASSUME WHEN ACQUIRING A FISH THAT IT HAS SOMETHING AND DO YOUR OWN QUARANTINE FOE 14-21 DAYS
To be safe and with recent losses, QT all occupants and leave the display tank fishless

 

[Jokareefer]

Ended up dosing DT with Sulphur after weighing up costs of potential loss, no further deaths and all coral fine. Foxface still has spots on and off, he is a very anxious fish and spots tend to appear after a water change or anything that stresses him out. He is still breathing rapidly, but he has always been like that. No others have spots or are breathing rapidly. Will just wait and see. I'll definitely QT in future. Fun way to learn a lesson. Thank you all for your knowledge and advice!