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No mention about why there is copper showing in your reef? I have copper showing on my results at about double yours. Have you found a source?

Some here may remember that I all but completely crashed my reef due to copper about three years ago. Never found the source but as all of my incoming water tested out fine and I definitely ruled out sabotage, I assumed it was coming from somewhere in the tank itself. So I pretty much emptied it of everything except the fish and a couple pieces of LR and found...nothing. I also completely drained the sump and found nothing. After that, I began running a PolyPad and, sure enough, I'd get some blue though every month less and less. Finally, the blue became barely perceptible and according to ENC labs, copper was hovering around 0.03 mg/L. As this was considered borderline good, I slowly started to rebuild my rockscape and, a few months later, even lay in some corals. Again, this was a couple years ago. Today, the corals are growing, coloring up fairly well, and not once has my copper tested below 0.03 mg/L.
So to answer your question, no I haven't found the source but as long as these levels don't begin to creep upwards again, I'm not going to worry about that either.
 

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Fairly low? Wasn't it a red on your last test? And you had changed 65% of your water before the sample? What salt did you use?

Comparatively low, yes at 326. several others were over 1000 so compared to those. But yeah i guess mine would have easily been double that considering the water changes. I use red sea regular always.
 
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40B DT / 29G sump

Salt: Regular IO

Additives: ESV B ionic 2 part - 18ml daily

Water change: 4g weekly





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have been using cuprisorb passively in the sump for the past 6 months to combat dino algae, which is the only correlation I can think of with the elevated copper levels, besides what has been mentioned before (foods, salt mix ext.). As far as the Si, I use 2 DI stages and show 0 TDS with a calibrated meeter, so....? Zn, maybe toss it up to the ESV 2 part? Br is a know issue in my areas water, confirmed by others local's Triton test and water company reports.
 

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1. Tank size : 250 gal TWV, 215 gal DT
2. Salt used: Coralife/RSPC
3. Additives dosed: CARX with TLF Reborn media, Red Sea Reef Energy, occasional Lugols but rarely. Dose Mg when needed, roughly 1x year.
4. No water changes... ever. Just recently upgraded tank at beginning of the year but previous tank before that went 3 years with no water changes.
5. Notes: High Aluminum assuming from GFO or Ceramico block, high lithium possibly salt, low phosphates from a steady growth of filamentous red turf algae that my tangs and urchins graze all day. Also have refugium with a large chaeto ball in it and an oversized skimmer. I feed a ridiculous amount of food.

Here's a recent video of my tank I took when I added my new powder blue tang. Please excuse the awful music but we have a running joke on my local forum with videos and ridiculous background music. [emoji6]
 

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It certainly is a possibility, but I changed 100%+ of my water to TM Pro reef and still have high lithium so there are a number of possible explanations. Perhaps ESV, BRS and other two-part manufacturers source some component from the same place and that contributes. But if, as I understand, the TM is made in Europe, we would need to find another explanation for the 287 reading I got with it and no two-part. Is it in the water?

I had very high lithium levels. ESV, BRS and other two parts weren't used. The salt I was using was Crystal Seas Bioassay.

I was blindly dosing iodine and purple up.

It could have also come from the calcium reactor media?

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Again, didn't mean that it's ALL from 2 part. But if a vendors salt has it, most likely their 2 part will as well.

I will send in another test once I have switched from kalk to 2 part. I have BRS Cal chloride and alk from DFS.
 

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It's great to see the sharing and collaboration on interpreting what's going on in our systems!

Sure, some results may yield still more questions, but the nice thing is that, for perhaps the first time in hobby history, the serious hobbyist has access to a very accurate testing system. We all have much to learn about what many of the things that the test actually measures do for our corals, but this is the first step. Is Triton solely responsible for every good result and tank improvement here? Of course not. However, what Triton has done is given us another means to analyze what's going on in our reefs, and when combined with good old fashioned observation, it's given many reefers a formidable combination of information by which to make husbandry decisions and execute changes as needed. Does a difference of 1 or 2 parts per billion of Vanadium make or break our reef tank? Probably not...Yet what this kind of data does is get us thinking...and talking.

The "empowered reef keeping" tag line is really not just marketing hyperbole. It's an accurate statement about what is possible with the combination of accurate information, hobbyist observation, thoughtful analysis, discussion, and action based on the best available data. It's nice to see that we are not creating "number zombies", chasing every last decimal point of every parameter. We're looking at trends, stability within range, and actual results in our tanks. The fact that we are all discussing the chemical environment in which our corals grow, and looking for answers when things are less than perfect is a great thing. Just having a more accurate means to look at water chemistry than we've had previously, and the more careful examination of our reefs in general spurred on by this process has probably helped more reefers than any individual product could. Thanks for sharing- and keep up the good work!

Scott and Joe
 
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I gave up trying to get a useable upload. It appears unless you host the image elsewhere it's pretty much impossible?

upload the photo to an album youve created under your profile name here of r2r. view the photo via your album, while viewing it scroll down and look for a "BBcode" should be under your picture lower right of the screen. highlight and copy the entire bbcode. Highlight it press Ctl+C come back to this thread, create a new post and copy paste (Ctl+V) the bbcode into the text box. press enter. the bbcode should be translated and display your image here in the thread. Attachments dont seem to work as well, as they need to be hosted outside the r2r site.
 

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Tank Size : 45g display - 65g total
Salt: ESV
Additives: ESV 2-Part Dosed / Prodibio Bio-Reef (every 15 days) / Acropower once a week
Water Changes: 5g once a week, or 10g every two weeks (depends on my schedule)

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I've recently been told that ESV salts have been found to have a lot of impurities. I'm hoping some of the excessive amounts of elements is due to those impurities. I'm not sure where the tin or copper are coming from. I recently completely cleaned out my sump and found no metals or foreign objects aside from a bit of GFO in the bottom, but that would yield iron, not copper or tin. Any ideas?

After reading my results and speaking with my LFS, I decided to switch salts. I'm going to give the triton salts a try. I'll go with that for a few months and run a new test and see where I stand. If I start switching too many things up I may never find the source.

Right now I'm getting really good growth on my monti-caps but really nothing else. My zoa's and paly's have great color, are wide open, but don't seem to be growing/spreading.
 

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gdemos results

Here's my first test results, a rundown on my setup/status, and some questions:
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Sample provided was 2 weeks after a usual bi/tri-weekly 15% WC
Seachem Salinity at 1.025; batch tests at 8.0 dKh
Biopellet: NoPo (reef dynamics)
CaCO2 Reactor
Dosing: 3 drops Brightwells Lugols Daily

Findings & Questions:
Iodine: Clearly I will cut back or stop Lugols
Mg: Can Tech M solve this? dose?
Mn, Zn, V: not sure if this is something to worry about; could it be byproduct of Lugols?
Br: deviating high, not sure of source or if attention is necessary
Li: seems that this is common across all/most US salts

PO4: I use Hanna ULR Phosphorous testing every other day to measure impact of Biopellet and getting .06 PO4 and happily surprised to see .016 tells me I won't need GFO.

General Tank Status: SPS and Heavy Fish Load
Alkalinity: 8.6-8.9 Salifert
NO3: 10ppm Salifert
Salinity: 1.025
pH: 8.25

Livestock: All SPS with new frags introduced March 1 following 3 months QT and Bayer dipping.
(1) PB Tang
(1) Chevron Tang
(1) Yellow Belly Hippo Tang
(5) Yellow Tang
(2) True Percula
(9) Carrberyi Anthias
(7) Bartlett Anthias
(5) Bimaculatus Anthias
(1) Juvi Goldflake Angel
(1) Flame Angel
(1) Vermiculated Leopard Wrasse
(1) Lg. Mysteri Wrasse
(1) Christmas Wrasse
(1) Sm Matted Filefish
CUC, Harlequin pair, cleaner shrimp

Lighting: ATI t5 8x54 and I am due for new bulbs
Flow: 2 MP40, WaterBlaster 16000 for Return
UV: 57w AquaUV 12 hrs/day (helps keep biopellet kicking)

Reactors:
CR9000, dual canister using Brightwells NeoMag and CoraLazarus at 6.45pH
ReefDynamics 500 at 150gph, NoPo Pellets

Dosing:
Brightwells Lugos 3 drops daily
bi-weekly 25mL MB7

Tank Conditions: Limited/no PE, poor color (brown/maroon) some pieces showing good promise, lost a few to STN stress from move out of QT my guess.
QT has undetectable NO3, limited fish load, no Biopellet, all else same.


Unwanted heavy metals

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Hg0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Se0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Cd0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Sn0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Sb0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
As0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Al8.24 µg/l2.00 µg/l6.242750.000.00
Pb0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Ti0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Cu0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00





Macro-Elements

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Na11071.00 mg/l10700.00 mg/l371.002750.000.00
Ca473.80 mg/l440.00 mg/l33.802750.000.00
Mg1359.00 mg/l1370.00 mg/l-11.00275286.350.00
K409.40 mg/l400.00 mg/l9.402750.000.00
Br74.14 mg/l62.00 mg/l12.142750.000.00
B5.86 mg/l4.50 mg/l1.362750.000.00
Sr7.74 mg/l8.00 mg/l-0.2627533.840.00
S961.60 mg/l900.00 mg/l61.602750.000.00




Li-Group
ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Li33.21 µg/l200.00 µg/l-166.79275347.350.00
Ni0.00 µg/l5.00 µg/l-5.0027552.060.00
Mo8.57 µg/l12.00 µg/l-3.4327535.720.00



I-Group
ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
V0.00 µg/l1.20 µg/l-1.202751.250.08
Zn6.84 µg/l4.00 µg/l2.842750.000.00
Mn0.00 µg/l2.00 µg/l-2.0027520.831.74
I610.50 µg/l60.00 µg/l550.502750.000.00



Fe-Group

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Cr0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Co0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00
Fe0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00




Ba-Group

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Ba11.38 µg/l10.00 µg/l1.382750.000.00
Be0.00 µg/l0 µg/l-0.102750.000.00



Si-Group

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
Si152.90 µg/l100.00 µg/l52.902750.000.00



Nutrient-Group

ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage /
P5.26 µg/l6.00 µg/l-0.742750.000.00
PO40.016 mg/l0.018 mg/l-0.0022750.000.00


Thanks,
Greg

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Your water is very good!

I don't recommend chasing exact numbers so for something like Magnesium which will be a daily moving target, you are perfectly fine. Things I notice and recommend:

Your salinity may be a touch high so check that out with a calibrated refractometer.
If it is high then your macro elements drop down a bit once you lower the salinity. But even where it is now is fine.

The reactor and water changes are doing a great job at keeping your macro elements in check. If you want to stay on this plan then all I would recommend is the following:

Stop dosing lugols. Use specific elements for boosting what you want instead of Lugols.

Since your iodine is quite high I wouldn't dose any for a while. The water changes and biological processes will chip away at the high level.

You may want to experiment with dosing Vanadium, Manganese, and Nickel. Triton makes small bottles of these in their Trace Base line. One bottle will last a long time. Use the correction dosage recommendation on your results for dosing your size aquarium. Many trace elements are not supplied in enough quantities through water changes and calcium reactors. Calcium reactors are great at supplying a consistent supply of macro elements on a regular basis in a very cost effective manner but do fall short at supplying many trace elements. These will need to be addressed in another way.

Lithium. You are one of the first people I have come across in the states that does not have high lithium. You can add this from the Triton line of products as well if you desire. Many of the salts we come across here in the US seem to have very elevated levels of lithium, I suspect Sachem Salinity does not.

Iron is another thing that people dose on a regular basis. Although the natural seawater level is below the detection range of Triton's ICP instrument, you can experiment by dosing it without worrying too much about ill effects. Even at elevated levels it doesn't seem to hurt the animals in the tank. A future Triton test can confirm if you have grossly overdosed.

Your phosphates are a bit low and this may have a little something to do with the coral color. In the absence of phosphates we have found our corals color to fade unless large amounts of food are fed regularly. If your tank is running smooth and nuisance algae is not an issue, try removing some biopellets or slow the flow, feed more, etc to get the phosphates up a little more. You should see an improvement in coral color. We shoot for a range of .03-.10 in our coral raceways.

Im happy to see that your zinc level is good. After we boosted zinc to normal levels in some of our raceways, we noticed a spike in growth and color.

You may want to consider dosing Acro power daily. This will help with color and polyp health. Good luck!
 

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I will surely look into the dose of Vn, Mn, Ni

I must say Im surprised to see the low PO4, since I routinely show .06 on Hanna ULR.

Easy enough to slow the flow on Biopellet.
And I will consider AcroPower as well.

Regarding Li: Wondering what being on the low side means for me, but seeing as it most in the US are Elevated I guess it's 'Unique' to be low

Appreciate the vote of confidence and all you guys at UC and at large are doing here for the betterment of the hobby.
-Greg
 

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I will surely look into the dose of Vn, Mn, Ni

I must say Im surprised to see the low PO4, since I routinely show .06 on Hanna ULR.

Easy enough to slow the flow on Biopellet.
And I will consider AcroPower as well.

Regarding Li: Wondering what being on the low side means for me, but seeing as it most in the US are Elevated I guess it's 'Unique' to be low

Appreciate the vote of confidence and all you guys at UC and at large are doing here for the betterment of the hobby.
-Greg

When I sent my last test my ULR Hanna read zero (3ppb the week prior). Triton came back with 0.015. Still within the "±5 ppb ±5% of reading" of Hanna's spec sheet unfortunately. Your reading would be 20ppb so maybe your meter is off? Or Triton is off?
 

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When I sent my last test my ULR Hanna read zero (3ppb the week prior). Triton came back with 0.015. Still within the "±5 ppb ±5% of reading" of Hanna's spec sheet unfortunately. Your reading would be 20ppb so maybe your meter is off? Or Triton is off?


Maybe I missed how you got 20 ppb from a .016 ppm reported value. .016 ppm = 16 ppb. :)

Regardless, I typically see a slight difference between the Hanna ULR and Triton's reported value. I think it may be a result of the mathematical conversion Triton does to determine total phosphate from phosphorous. The ICP is not testing for phosphate but rather for the element Phosphorous. Either way, just knowing the very close range for this value is more than important enough in my opinion for husbandry purposes.
 

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Maybe I missed how you got 20 ppb from a .016 ppm reported value. .016 ppm = 16 ppb. :)

Regardless, I typically see a slight difference between the Hanna ULR and Triton's reported value. I think it may be a result of the mathematical conversion Triton does to determine total phosphate from phosphorous. The ICP is not testing for phosphate but rather for the element Phosphorous. Either way, just knowing the very close range for this value is more than important enough in my opinion for husbandry purposes.

I think we (or me) are mixing up ppb, ppm, and mg/l. Since Hanna meter measures Phosphorus in ppb and "Phosphate" is measured in mg/l (ppm) and the conversion is not a simple move of a decimal place.

From my cheatsheet spreadsheet...

Hanna Conversion to Phosphate
PPO4
00.000
10.003
20.006
30.009
40.012
50.015
60.018
70.021
80.025
90.028
100.031
110.034
120.037
130.040
140.043
150.046
160.049
170.052
180.055
190.058
200.061
 
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