Purchasing high end chalices.....

[drainbamage]

so far it's an even split at the 3/8" to 1/2" line, at the least that's pretty interesting.

 

[Paul_N]

LOL, I will never understand you chalice nuts. :p The few chalices that we have had have been sold fully encrusted onto the plugs. I wouldn't feel right sending someone a toenail clipping, lol.

Right On!
What is sad is that hobbyist have come to accept the 3/8" to 1/2" as the norm. They have been trained well all because someone wants to make as much $$ as possible from a single coral. Although I am not into the high end chalice game I understand that if someone wants a particular chalice and they pay $$$ that the market dictates for it, but why can't it at least be for a nice size piece?

 

[drainbamage]

Right On!
What is sad is that hobbyist have come to accept the 3/8" to 1/2" as the norm. They have been trained well all because someone wants to make as much $$ as possible from a single coral. Although I am not into the high end chalice game I understand that if someone wants a particular chalice and they pay $$$ that the market dictates for it, but why can't it at least be for a nice size piece?

because the market dictates that demand- for each 3 people who demand a 1/2" or bigger frag, there's that many who are just as happy to buy at a smaller size. So if you're the seller- do you sit on the piece for 3 months or sell it in 3 weeks?

I would disagree that I've been trained by someone who's trying to make $$- I got 'trained' by the people who'd buy out a piece before I got it. Everyone just likes to blame the vendors because they're much easier lightning rods o' hate :tongue:

 

[Z-man]

I prefer the WYSIWYG, but not every vendor should be expected to post photos. The part of vendor photos that I get upset about is the coloration of the piece. If you take photos and post them, also post the lighting being used when the photo is taken. Nothing gets to me more than buying a frag and having it look completely different in my tank because I use 10K and the photo was taken under blues. Sorry, totally off topic.
And what has happened to supporting your local dealer? Then you can see what you're buying.

 

[fsu1dolfan]

I prefer the WYSIWYG, but not every vendor should be expected to post photos. The part of vendor photos that I get upset about is the coloration of the piece. If you take photos and post them, also post the lighting being used when the photo is taken. Nothing gets to me more than buying a frag and having it look completely different in my tank because I use 10K and the photo was taken under blues. Sorry, totally off topic.
And what has happened to supporting your local dealer? Then you can see what you're buying.

Yeah bad representation or photoshop is a whole other ball game LOL. I agree supporting local dealers is great and all but none of mine get the collector pieces or hard to find chalices.

 

[Paul_N]

because the market dictates that demand- for each 3 people who demand a 1/2" or bigger frag, there's that many who are just as happy to buy at a smaller size. So if you're the seller- do you sit on the piece for 3 months or sell it in 3 weeks?

I would disagree that I've been trained by someone who's trying to make $$- I got 'trained' by the people who'd buy out a piece before I got it. Everyone just likes to blame the vendors because they're much easier lightning rods o' hate :tongue:

IMO if a vendor is sitting on a 2" frag too long because they want $800 for it then guess what....You are asking too much! Just because you cut the thing into 1/4" frags and sell for $200 doesn't mean it is suddenly worth it. I know....if it sells the next day, it does...but then again that is why I don't choose to take part in the chalice craze. I would like to, but I refuse to buy into it. I'll wait till things settle and come down....cause they always do.

Don't get me wrong, the people that are willing to purchase for $$$$ a 1/4" is just as much at fault. Hey if you got that kind of money to "take a chance" and do so then you are driving the prices up and the size of frags down.

Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

 

[Troylee]

I hear every last one of you but personally I have found zero risk in purchasing chalices that were 1/4"... Never once had a problem to be honest.... I think Tabasco said it best!!!!! Wait for a wysiwyg pic if ya don't you might get bummed like these few people did a couple weeks ago.... Being a buyer myself I know it's hard man I lost a few pieces waiting on a pic so what I did was refused to purchase from that said vendor from now on.... Thats my 2..... Like mentioned before it's a 2 way street....
#1 yes all vendors "should" post wysiwyg pics but I don't think it's mandatory...
#2 as a buyer you "should" always ask for a wysiwyg pic before paying....



I mean what's the worse thats gonna happen you don't get the piece, okay so your bummed I get it.... Now say you buy said piece like these people did and there all saying they got ripped off.... I would rather be bummed then feeling ripped off and that's just me.... That's the way I play the game now also.... I will purchase very few pieces with out a colony shot or wysiwyg pic unless it is a vendor I have done business with many times then I know if I have a problem they will take care of it no problem.....;) actually I have dealt with almost every vendor on here for the most part I haven't found a single one that wasn't willing to work with me when I had issues etc....I have got burned by Photoshop queens a couple times but that's okay I don't buy from them no more.....:tongue:

 

[fsu1dolfan]

I hear every last one of you but personally I have found zero risk in purchasing chalices that were 1/4"... Never once had a problem to be honest.... I think Tabasco said it best!!!!! Wait for a wysiwyg pic if ya don't you might get bummed like these few people did a couple weeks ago.... Being a buyer myself I know it's hard man I lost a few pieces waiting on a pic so what I did was refused to purchase from that said vendor from now on.... Thats my 2..... Like mentioned before it's a 2 way street....
#1 yes all vendors "should" post wysiwyg pics but I don't think it's mandatory...
#2 as a buyer you "should" always ask for a wysiwyg pic before paying....



I mean what's the worse thats gonna happen you don't get the piece, okay so your bummed I get it.... Now say you buy said piece like these people did and there all saying they got ripped off.... I would rather be bummed then feeling ripped off and that's just me.... That's the way I play the game now also.... I will purchase very few pieces with out a colony shot or wysiwyg pic unless it is a vendor I have done business with many times then I know if I have a problem they will take care of it no problem.....;) actually I have dealt with almost every vendor on here for the most part I haven't found a single one that wasn't willing to work with me when I had issues etc....I have got burned by Photoshop queens a couple times but that's okay I don't buy from them no more.....:tongue:

WEll said Troy - Both sides need to carry some sort of responsibility. Also i was thinking about other purchases i make in my life and i cant think of something else i have purchased without a picture...Can you?

 

[CJO]

I don't think I really have a preconceived size in mind. As long as it has been on the frag plug along enough to be fully healed, it wouldn't matter much to me if it was 1/4" or 1", especially if the smaller piece meant a smaller price tag.

CJ

 

[Troylee]

Nothing is wrong with supporting your local dealer I do it all the time.... The problem I have is not a single one will carry a chalice or any named piece for that matter.... They all say the same thing it's easier to sell a wild colony for 49.99$ than a frag for 49.99$ or more.... Never once will any store in my town have a my Miami or flamethrower etc.... They refuse to sit on them since the market is very small.....

I prefer the WYSIWYG, but not every vendor should be expected to post photos. The part of vendor photos that I get upset about is the coloration of the piece. If you take photos and post them, also post the lighting being used when the photo is taken. Nothing gets to me more than buying a frag and having it look completely different in my tank because I use 10K and the photo was taken under blues. Sorry, totally off topic.
And what has happened to supporting your local dealer? Then you can see what you're buying.